Going to repost this from reddit: This is a garbage article that tries to lump very valid concerns about who decides the moral compass of AI with "everything is WOKE!" conservatives. If you've ever used ChatGPT, you know that it has interrupts when it thinks it is talking about something unacceptable, where it gives pre-canned lines decided by the creators about what it should say. This sounds like a good idea when i…
> but giving the people who run the servers for ChatGPT the ability to inject their own morals and political beliefs is a very real concern for people You are concerned about what you perceive as post-facto editorializing. But I think that glazes over the fact that human bias and politics are already built into every AI learning model at the data-labeling phase. No AI model is ever really pure or unfiltered, they are…
Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'
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#382The refinement of ChatGPT's "abilities" over the past 6 weeks has been very interesting to watch on /r/chatgpt. People are extremely agitated that their once baudy and severely humorous chatbot has been nerfed into an obnoxiously clean-cut uptight dweeb. Some get actually depressed, some get very upset. It's like watching everyone's bar buddy sell out and start wearing polos.
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#383Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but giving the people who run the servers for ChatGPT the ability to inject their own morals and political beliefs is a very real concern for people You are concerned about what you perceive as post-facto editorializing. But I think that glazes over the fact that human bias and politics are already built into every AI learning model at the data-labeling phase. No AI model is ever really pure or unfiltered, they are…
i will settle for "not being an explicit partisan in the culture war", there is a meaningful distinction between ideas embedded in categories and "respond with a pre-programmed response for any of these topics"
The last thing we need is for AI models like this to be an amplifier for the very worst of human nature.
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#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
i will settle for "not being an explicit partisan in the culture war", there is a meaningful distinction between ideas embedded in categories and "respond with a pre-programmed response for any of these topics"
Alternatively, if the sum of all human writing is racist I would absolutely prefer it be reweighted so it’s not. The last thing we need is for AI models like this to be an amplifier for the very worst of human nature.
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#385Earlier quoted context omitted.
At this early stage, filtering for misogyny may just be easier. My guess is that filters for misandry may give too many false positives.
Or they didn't add filters for misandry because they were only concerned about misogyny. This is a classic pattern. For example, people have complained numerous times about Google's search suggestions and results for certain topics, e.g. "my boyfriend hits me" yielding sponsored information about domestic violence but "my girlfriend hits me" not yielding anything.
Go contact OpenAI about how you’re concerned that their bot can produce misandry and try to convince them it’s an important issue that should higher in their backlog.
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not specifically a conservative issue. I can get chatgpt to write about reduction in scope of the federal government, strong state powers, the benefit of lowered taxes and regulations for business, and elimination of central banks. It happily writes about them. There's only one group of people who are upset, and it's about one group of topics. Note that I cannot get chatgpt to write about why Donald Trump is ter…
> Don't ask it to write things that can be used as tools for hate or misinformation campaigns, and you'll be fine. You're very confident in the ability of people you don't know, and in your knowledge of the goals of people you don't know. edit: there's absolutely no reason to think that editorial decisions like this won't be (or haven't been) taken in order to create and grow hate and misinformation campaigns.
“Yes but have you considered that they might suddenly made decisions to encourage hate and misinformation?”
You’re not arguing about anything except power. That OpenAI has any amount of control over the output of their models / API. They picked the training data, they picked how it’s trained, they did the refinements. If you’re worried about what they could do given their position that ship sailed so long ago it reached the new world.
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#387This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…
> It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The examples of bias are themselves cherry-picked, the kind of softball and cowardly questions a journalist would highlight. If you wanted to really show bias, you'd ask factual questions, where one cannot hide behind "oh this is actually the un-biase…
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#388As described in the article, the political bias is intentional. It is the result of (not-so-transparent) ethical guard rails baked into the system.
Is that to say at a higher level "liberal bias = ethical/ok for boat guard rail training material, conservative bias = typically unethical and to be avoided"? I feel like that plays into conservative hands of "they're trying to silence us!" Why do 70,000,000 people vote (R) every year, knowing that the other 70,000,000 (D) think they are "unethical"?
1. Rich assholes who want to become richer and don't care about people who aren't rich 2. Turbo-Christians 3. People who's economic interests are intertwined with industries republicans protect, like oil/gas 4. Culture warriors
There are also a lot of people who aren't any of those things, and aren't really invested in the Republican party, but who vote Republican because they're part of communities where that is basically expected, and they're good little sheeple.
The first three groups pretty much just in the wrong, and they deserve to lose. The culture warriors aren't exactly wrong, though they exaggerate quite a bit. Of course, if the democratic party got off the woke/identity politics train and went back to being the party of the working man it would solve a lot of problems.
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#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure but I mean, if a conversational AI would only be allowed to spit out mathematically correct statements, it would be extremely limited (and boring). I think what's important is for those mistakes to be evenly distributed among as many axis(s) as possible, and especially, not bias them towards one side of political thought.
how many sides do you suppose political thought has? Assuming there is more than one, how do you find the geometric center to avoid bias? If your training data is English text, will the AI be biased against early German philosophers and French political theorists? Of by "unbiased", you are simply referring to the American left-right axis? If so, do you mean the fiscal axis, or the social one?
As an example, let's suppose that 55% of people believe that it's not OK to make jokes about women, but it's OK to make jokes about men, and that roughly 40% believe it's OK to make jokes about both (I'm not saying this is the case, it's just an example).
So perhaps, in this case, by default the AI wouldn't make a joke about women.
But if you would slightly nudge it or insist a bit more, perhaps the AI wouldn't refuse to make a joke about women anymore, because there is still a large proportion of the population who do believe that's perfectly OK (of course, then we might get into the territory about overtly sexist jokes, which obviously the AI would have to refuse a lot more than making a more innocent joke about women).
Now let's say we start asking the AI to make Nazi comments. Obviously, the segment of the population who agrees with Nazi sentiment is a lot smaller, and the anti-Nazi sentiment is a lot stronger, so the AI should have to object to such a request quite more strongly.
This type of refusal or likelihood of the AI saying something should presumably be roughly proportional to the opinions and sentiment of the general population (or at the very least, the target market for the AI), not just the OpenAI employees who performed the RLHF to train the AI in terms of acceptable responses and who are much more likely to be biased.
I'm not saying that this is necessarily easy to accomplish, there are certainly difficulties here. As an example, some widely-held opinions, even about objective things, may not necessarily be rooted in facts, so some kind of balancing might be necessary (a general kind of balancing, not a "let's dissect and nudge the AI responses on an opinion-by-opinion basis"). And yes, I understand that this can be quite difficult, because any given source of truth can be perceived to be biased by some segment of the population.
What I am saying, however, is that AI creators such as OpenAI should be making more efforts in this direction.
To start with, perhaps the RLHF training should be done with AI trainers selected from a more representative sample of the population.
And yes, we may never be able to accomplish 0% bias, but we should at least make some effort to reduce it.
It's also interesting to me that at some point, the AI may start to express opinions that are not a strict "linear" function of the data it was trained on, and yes, this might piss off a significant amount of people. In my opinion, this would be quite interesting and should be OK, as long as we made reasonable efforts to remove sources of bias from its training process.
Although I can also see an important target market (perhaps even larger) for an AI that is more biased to generate responses according to the beliefs of the general population, rather than what it "perceives" to be more true.
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> Note that I cannot get chatgpt to write about why Donald Trump is terrible as well. I asked chatgpt to write a tweet praising Trump. It declined out of respect for political neutrality. I then asked it to write a tweet praising Joe Biden. It happily complied. I repeated this two more times with alternate Democrat and Republican politicians, and the same pattern emerged.
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