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The FBI Identified a Tor User

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Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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post #182

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No offense but TOR is just too sluggish to be really useful unless you're a gay pirate assassin (or one of those three components)[0]. It has basically all the drawbacks a VPN has (most sites will distrust you on recaptcha, speed bumps, sometimes a connection gets timed out or dropped) whilst having a shitton of latency on top of that because y'know, it's free. There's always been more people willing to use TOR than…

Have you used Tor recently? I don't find it to be very slow. It's obviously not Gigabit but for just reading web pages it is more than enough. See https://metrics.torproject.org/torperf.png?start=2012-01-01&... - and that recent spike in latency only exists because of some DDos attack (I think).

It's about the same it's always been from roughly 2015. I've used it maybe 6 months ago to get around a YouTube geoblock?

What this graph doesn't really unveil but is so crucially important is that webpages have gotten a lot heavier over the years. In the past, you could visit most websites at a half-decent speed with a regular landline connection. Nowadays you need to download several megabytes of content before you can even load a page in properly.

Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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exactly. this isn’t to say that US agencies have backdoors written into TOR per se, but they have had TOR delay the patching of exploits in order to achieve the same end

And where is the proof of that? Just because someone gives money to the Tor Project doesn't mean they get to tell them exactly what to do.

I'll put it like this: if parts of the US government are using exploits to de-anonymise TOR users, which is hard to dispute, and they're funding the TP, which they are and always have done, and they're the US government, which has never had any qualms about interfering with companies that aren't funded by them, never mind ones that are, why do you think they wouldn't delay patches in order to maintain an exploit?

the US collective funds TOR so that they can exert control over the field of play, or even just keep it in sight. perhaps that control is relatively small and only used in extremely high-profile cases, but that's more useful than nothing at all

it's a parenting paradigm: it's safer for your kids to drink at home than out at a bar or in a park somewhere, because at least at home you can keep an eye on things

Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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I keep saying this, but the inescapable fact about Tor is that its traffic patterns make you stand out prominently. Just the fact you’re using it automatically makes you interesting and worthy of a closer look. All well and good if you’re just maintaining a cookie recipe site on the dark web, but it’s rarely ever that, is it?

The fact that the three letters do more than spying on possible threats/terrorists, in particular, their practice for trying to cultivate future "agents of change" should send chills down the spine of any well paid and well educated tech workers.

I do believe that most people on HN qualify as "interesting" to these forces.

Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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There are known ways to de-anomymise tor users, but the article doesn't mention these are known (probing for alternative unhandled routes like non TCP) but also js etc can be used to recover real addresses etc. Omission of facts is a bit misleading unfortunately.

Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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post #241

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CIA likely hidden in plain sight so you wouldn't figure out their Tor node. Likely hosted in some DC rest of USA also uses, for example a colo or dedicated at Rackspace. As for Snowden you just described a burner however he would still need to find or know that open WiFi hotspot.

Most coffee shops?

Most have CCTV

Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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Not related to Tor, but food for thought regarding anonymity...

Quite a few people online wear multiple masks. You're that wonderful professional on linkedin with your full name on display, the ideal grandson on Facebook, but also a Twitter shitposter and toxic gamer under the disguise of anonymity.

Its worthwhile to consider the anonymous version of you. I'm imagining that it won't take long before a few dots can be connected. Not by the FBI, surely they already can, but as a public service. AI reverse engineering your clicks, writing style, whatever other input.

Meaning, if there's a "socially less accepted" version of you, do worry. It seems inevitable to me that they ultimately get linked back to your true identity.

And to be clear, this isn't just about a burner account to let off some steam. Anonymity is also used to freely criticize employers, political ideas, the establishment in authoritarian regimes, and it's an essential defense for people/groups that are often the target of harassment.

To illustrate how easily this can go wrong, recently a giant Twitter dump resurfaced. It turned out to be a cleaned up 2 year old file, but it did send a lot of people into a moral panic. Specifically, some made the mistake to link their real identifiable email address to their burner account.

The bottom line is that anonymity is fragile and unlikely to last.

Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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post #310

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> Use a VPN when connecting to TOR You should not do this. It is at best useless, at worst strictly negative. A VPN tunnels all your traffic through their own servers, so they are a single point of failure roughly equivalent to your ISP. Anyone with access to the VPN servers could spy on all of your traffic, completely bypassing Tor. If you pay for the VPN with a credit card, you can be easily identified.

> Anyone with access to the VPN servers could spy on all of your traffic, completely bypassing Tor. Hmm, can you explain how this could possibly be true? I think the VPN couldn't see any more than your ISP could have.

The situation is different, think about nodes and encrypted channels between them.

If you encrypt traffic on your host properly and send it off to a remote host, your ISP (node(s) in between) sees encrypted traffic.

If you create an encrypted VPN connection to a VPN providers server and then configure a second encrypted connection (e.g. through Tor) from that VPN providers server to a remote host, then your VPN provider is able to see exactly what happened on that VPN providers server; since that’s where the encryption (and decryption) happens.

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