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Like the 30-pin connector's longevity? The lightning connector's? Physical Esc keys?

I had three devices with 30-pin connector, and have another three with Lightning connector. I never replaced a female connector, or any cable which connects to these connectors, made by Apple or otherwise.

Exactly, 30-pin connectors' longevity faded quickly, so they started using Lightning for new devices (on its way out). They sure were flashy though!

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Any use besides… one of the most common uses of the laptop in general in this remote-work era…

Right, and you don't need an ultra-HD camera for your face to appear in a small tile on someone else's remote screen.

Who says it's a small tile? It's common for me to have meetings where nobody is sharing screen. In a one-on-one meeting, someone's face might be taking up my entire screen as we talk.

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Yup. Software is why I am on Linux on a thinkpad. It’s fast enough. And I control everything.

I can't even resume my Ubuntu ThinkPad from suspend without the nVidia driver going absolutely off the rails. I'm generally happy with the laptop, but it's got basic issues that Macbooks solved decades ago. The touchpad is noticeably worse.

To be completely fair an apples-to-apples comparison would be an all Intel (GPU included) laptop or one with an AMD GPU’d laptop as their drivers are baked into the kernel and are 1st-class supported. This, to me, is akin to the Apple top-down, wholly owned model. Even Intel MacBooks stopped shipping Nvidia GPUs years ago.

But… I get you. To have a really good experience you need to have a really supported setup and then everything works swimmingly. My work issued thinkpad is the AMD version of the P14s and it’s brilliant.

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USB4 supports DP 1.4a tunneling and DP 2.0 in DP "alternate mode". Agree with you, but I fear dedicated DP ports are dying.

I guess my main point is that, if we're going to move to displayport over USB-C, we (A) need Apple to put out official $100 cables, since I tried some cheap Amazon cables that didn't work and had to purchase some $60 moshi cables that I knew would work[0], and (B) they need a minimum of 5 ports since being limited to 1 peripheral port+3 monitors (2 over DP, one HDMI) on the mini is terrible. I know they want your mou…

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The SSDs in the apple silicon machines are likely much much faster than whatever you have in your macbook pro so when they do spill over into swap it would be much less noticeable. That being said, I'm pretty pro apple silicon (purchased an M2 Pro this morning) and I would never recommend anyone buy a new computer with less than 16GB of ram unless the usecase is strictly web browsing/streaming/ms word type stuff.

And yet I remember my old 286 with what? 500mb of ram or something ...

500 megs sounds wayy off for a 286, by an order of magnitude or two. Windows XP required 256.

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My new setup as of November is an M2 Air (16GB /1 TB) and an base model M1 Studio. I really couldn't be happier. I run a small WFH / Music Production / Photography studio in my basement and I really wanted an always-on always connected computer, for which the Studio has been perfect. The M2 Air is pretty close to a perfect laptop. My complaints (low audio volume, slighty cramped screen) are absolutely dwarfed by the…

I’d be so up for a 16 inch ‘air’. I so love my M1 Pro Max MacBook, but Christ it’s heavy. It’s heavier, and I think thicker, than my 2012 MacBook Pro. Now I expected it to be heavier, but was expecting it to drop back maybe one iteration to MacBook 2014 kind of heft. But we’re a full decade back of beefiness. I need a big screen though so it’s the only option. Unless they make a nice thin 16 inch air. I am pretty con…

> But we’re a full decade back of beefiness.

Really it's where the beefiness always should have been for the performance class / power envelope they are (and have been) targeting.

But yeah, a large screen thin & light seems like an obvious hole in the lineup.

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There's also a new Mac Mini, which I found A LOT MORE interesting, given that its keyboard or batteries won't break: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/01/apple-introduces-new-...

> given that its keyboard or batteries won't break

There's just soldered RAM and storage that can break and can't be replaced (without Apple robbing you).

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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One advantage that I have with the M1 Pro 32 GB RAM over my gaming desktop is that I'm able to run large ML models such as Bloom, Whisper, and Stable Diffusion with reasonable performance.

How are you running them so well? What do you use for your device since CUDA is obviously not supported and 'mps' is not very impressive, compared it to just about any NVidia GPU including the aging 1080ti[1] [1] https://sebastianraschka.com/blog/2022/pytorch-m1-gpu.html

I wouldn't say it runs well. It runs faster than my desktop CPU, but slower than my GPU.

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As an alternative to this, you can grab a thunderbolt dock. You can input 2/3 monitors into this, and all your other peripherals - then one cable into your macbook. My Caldigit TS4 charges my macbook at 90W, has 2 x 27" monitors running at 120hz (i could go higher but i can't perceive the difference so i'll save the bandwidth), has 2 external drives and can read my SD card to import photos. The thing has so many port…

Maybe I'm being a bit sensitive to price, but $400 seems pretty expensive. Do you know of any cheaper alternatives?

HP Thunderbolt docks are way cheap on ebay because of enterprise e-waste. Thats where I got my HP Thunderbolt G2.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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There's also a new Mac Mini, which I found A LOT MORE interesting, given that its keyboard or batteries won't break: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/01/apple-introduces-new-...

I hear you, but in Europe it's around 700€, which also buys a pretty solid windows or linux laptop. If you're not locked in to mac, a comparably priced laptop with intel 12 gen CPU, 16GB RAM and a RTX 3050, which is arguably a lot more versatile machine. I think I would like Mac's more if they weren't so absurdly overpriced (approx. 25%+ over US prices) here in Europe.

Base model in Sweden is 8495 Swedish Kronor or 814 US Dollars...
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