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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by manchmalscott »

ricardobayes wrote: post #695
mittermayr wrote: post #38

There's also a new Mac Mini, which I found A LOT MORE interesting, given that its keyboard or batteries won't break: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/01/apple-introduces-new-...

I hear you, but in Europe it's around 700€, which also buys a pretty solid windows or linux laptop. If you're not locked in to mac, a comparably priced laptop with intel 12 gen CPU, 16GB RAM and a RTX 3050, which is arguably a lot more versatile machine. I think I would like Mac's more if they weren't so absurdly overpriced (approx. 25%+ over US prices) here in Europe.

Apple silicon macbooks have one property that no windows or linux laptop will ever be able to give me. I use my MacBook to take notes in class, work on my CS homework, etc, so I spent most of my time in Firefox or VS Code. I charge my laptop once a week.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

kkielhofner wrote: post #598
FollowingTheDao wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Linux keeps failing because of companies like System76 which cannot seem to build, or partner with a company, to be this competition. Lenovo would crush Apple if it partnered with the Linux Community and made a cheap (in price!) everyday laptop for the consumer and focused on privacy and no lock in.

“Lenovo would crush Apple if it partnered with the Linux Community” No it wouldn’t. Users (the 99%) don’t care about privacy, tech, etc. They happily give their data up to TikTok (the CCP), Meta, Google, Amazon, Apple, etc. The Snowden revelations were met with a shrug or “I have nothing to hide”. This is well beyond established at this point (these platforms have billions of users). They also don’t care about lock i…

"They also don’t care about lock in - they just want stuff that works and adds as much as it can to their lives in as little effort as possible. The Apple ecosystem is incredibly successful because it does this exceedingly well. They view lock in as a positive - “All my stuff just works together - here’s more money Apple”."

Probably the biggest myth about Apple these days, that it just works. Can I tell you the countless hours I have spent helping friends with their Apple and iPhone issues?

And besides, as technicians, our job is to GET PEOPLE to care about this stuff and lead by example. What good is trying to convince someone to not use Apple products if you are buying the latest Apple product?

And in my opinion, Google products "just work" much better and are more open to multiple routes of access to your data. At that, they are way better than Apple.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by abraxas »

vanilla-latte wrote: post #740

One advantage that I have with the M1 Pro 32 GB RAM over my gaming desktop is that I'm able to run large ML models such as Bloom, Whisper, and Stable Diffusion with reasonable performance.

How are you running them so well? What do you use for your device since CUDA is obviously not supported and 'mps' is not very impressive, compared it to just about any NVidia GPU including the aging 1080ti[1]

[1] https://sebastianraschka.com/blog/2022/pytorch-m1-gpu.html

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by r00fus »

jaimehrubiks wrote: post #5

No graphs and all comparison is with Intel's Macs, not with M1s.

All PR is meant to sell something. Those with M1s are mostly already happy (and most of those in-the-know crowd are aware that M2 isn't as big a step up from M1).

However if you're an Intel MBP holdout, those are the folks who are the target market for this announcement. I have both (M1 Air, 15" 2018 MBP) and I've stopped using my Intel MBP despite it's bigger screen and better storage/RAM.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by tibbon »

vishnugupta wrote: post #833
tibbon wrote: post #816

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I'm likely going to order one of their Minis with the top CPU option and 32gb ram for audio production here. I've got an 2018 i7 model which is fine, but this one should set me for a _long_ time.

That's my setup and I was thinking exactly same; Mini M2 Pro with 32GB RAM would be perfect for me. Except that I don't have too many complaints with my current machine which I feel can easily work just fine for at least 2 more years.

I really just use my machine 95% as a tape machine with few plugins or edits. So as long as I can get 64 tracks of in/out reliably with 128-sample buffers (or lower) then I'm set. I just haven't tried that out in my new studio yet, as it's under construction. If I can do this, then I'll skip the upgrade for now.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by rowanG077 »

sod wrote: post #225
nicoburns wrote: post #100

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It's no secret that Apple's M2 series processors are a pretty minor improvement over the M1 series. Expect much bigger improvements in the M3 series which will likely be using TSMC's 3nm process (and then probably only minor improvements again for the M4 series). It seems that Apple's ridiculously impressive consistent year-on-year gains up the M1 were in large part possible because they were behind the state of the…

Yes, the year over year improvements were 90% just the tsmc node changes. But the ridiculous (and IMO amazing) performance per watt is a mix of iOS/macOS and their chip design. Those efficiency cores are unmatched, paired with the right scheduling from the OS. The M2 is underwhelming as its the same 5nm as the M1 was. But rumors say the M2 pro and max are on the 3nm node. And it took so long for the release, as 3nm w…

I'm not so sure that's true. Linux seems to handle these SoCs fine as well. The secret sauce in that regard seem much more in the very large amount of co-processors rather then the OS itself.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by real-dino »

s_dev wrote: post #30

I've been waiting over a year for this. My M1 8GB is simply not up to spec for iOS Dev work. Apple Store literally had nothing with 16GB when I had to buy it. I asked about when they could get one in -- Apple store assistant told me it would be at least 3 months. This was in Ireland during Covid. For reference my 2016 MacBook Pro had 16GB RAM so it was surprising to me that 6 years later I would be unable to buy one…

It's also not enough for VSCode and Web Development. Opening VSCode on a medium sized Next.js project takes a good minute or so before Intellisense kicks in.

But I'm not willing to pay the prices on the UK website. I think an M3 Air with 32GB will be my next purchase.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by sirsinsalot »

gateorade wrote: post #825
LeanderK wrote: post #778

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I have an really old macbook pro (mid 2014) with 8 gigs of ram. I am regularly running out of ram, I think it should be independent of processing power, right? Or is there some other way it feels snappier? Maybe the SSD got so fast it can better handle memory pressure...or you just don't need more than 8 gigs and it wasn't a limiting factor before

The SSDs in the apple silicon machines are likely much much faster than whatever you have in your macbook pro so when they do spill over into swap it would be much less noticeable. That being said, I'm pretty pro apple silicon (purchased an M2 Pro this morning) and I would never recommend anyone buy a new computer with less than 16GB of ram unless the usecase is strictly web browsing/streaming/ms word type stuff.

And yet I remember my old 286 with what? 500mb of ram or something ...

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by alach11 »

deanc wrote: post #852
sandstrom wrote: post #584

Will this computer finally support daisy-chaining? Also known as Multi-Stream Transport (MST), it's from the DisplayPort 1.2 spec. It's the ability to connecting two displays via one cable. Any 5+ year old PC has support for it. But your $3,000 Macbook Pro doesn't.

As an alternative to this, you can grab a thunderbolt dock. You can input 2/3 monitors into this, and all your other peripherals - then one cable into your macbook. My Caldigit TS4 charges my macbook at 90W, has 2 x 27" monitors running at 120hz (i could go higher but i can't perceive the difference so i'll save the bandwidth), has 2 external drives and can read my SD card to import photos. The thing has so many port…

Maybe I'm being a bit sensitive to price, but $400 seems pretty expensive. Do you know of any cheaper alternatives?
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