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I have second hand knowledge of lawsuits that have been dropped by the FBI during discovery because it would require them revealing zero days they have on Tor. Recently this has started getting increasing levels of press exposure[1] including in CSAM cases. The FBI has also continued to run CSAM websites after takeover to collect intel, and likely run honeypots for other content. If your adversary is a state actor, p…

According to various sources, such as Snowden's "Permanent Record", the tor network was designed to allow spies in remote locations to communicate securely with a known endpoint (such as CIA headquarters) without anyone being able to easily trace their exact location. The content of the communication itself would not be readable due to strong encryption, but the metadata (source and destination headers) could reveal…

CIA likely hidden in plain sight so you wouldn't figure out their Tor node. Likely hosted in some DC rest of USA also uses, for example a colo or dedicated at Rackspace.

As for Snowden you just described a burner however he would still need to find or know that open WiFi hotspot.

Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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post #221

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Is there really any way to hide from a motivated state actor? Asking about it on HN is definitely not one. Relevant xkcd: 538 [1] [1] https://xkcd.com/538/

One of my favorite HN comments of all time [0] suggested that MMO's provide plentiful means of covertly communicating: >MMO's are packed with possible communication channels in addition to chat. Ever wonder if that annoying gnome in the auction hall is jumping in morse code? Could signals be sent with bids? Could a character's inventory contents be arranged to leave a message to someone else who shares the login info…

> MMO's provide plentiful means of covertly communicating

This is a plot device in http://enwp.org/Little_Brother_%28Doctorow_novel%29>.

Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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> Based on what little I know of SSL, this suggests the server was compromised too? Not necessarily. If a passive snooper knows I used Tor Browser to make an SSL request to en.wikipedia.org and received 987,654 bytes then immediately made a SSL request to upload.wikimedia.org and received 1,234,567 bytes that might be enough information to work out I visited https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency .

That size-inference side channel leak has been patched for years, random padding is added between hops to mitigate this. It is large files / DDoS going over the network that is still hard to obfuscate. Which is why TOR is intentionally slow, especially when requesting larger files. If it wasn't, you could watch the lump of data traverse across the pipe. source: n/a

source: padding spec, https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git/tree/padding-spec....

Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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That is why I use a VPN provided by FBI so they think one of their own is doing research haha. Also this is how you get free security 24/7.

Tor was broken a while back. Not sure why anyone would think it is a safe/private/secure.

Your ISP is always rattin you out.

Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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Is your intention in repeating that to keep Tor usage below the critical threshold where that remains true?

No offense but TOR is just too sluggish to be really useful unless you're a gay pirate assassin (or one of those three components)[0]. It has basically all the drawbacks a VPN has (most sites will distrust you on recaptcha, speed bumps, sometimes a connection gets timed out or dropped) whilst having a shitton of latency on top of that because y'know, it's free. There's always been more people willing to use TOR than…

> in no small part because running the server space needed usually incurs significant legal risks since congrats, you've now become a target for law enforcement to bust your door down and ask why an IP you own a machine on is being used to upload CP to the clearnet - few people want to deal with this scenario for blatantly obvious reasons

It only does if you set it up as an exit node.

Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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I have second hand knowledge of lawsuits that have been dropped by the FBI during discovery because it would require them revealing zero days they have on Tor. Recently this has started getting increasing levels of press exposure[1] including in CSAM cases. The FBI has also continued to run CSAM websites after takeover to collect intel, and likely run honeypots for other content. If your adversary is a state actor, p…

> If you're sitting in front of a computer that you're using for something the U.S. government has significant interest in prosecuting, that device should be considered compromised and adversarial - you should act accordingly. I would say that if you are doing something the US government has a significant interest in prosecuting, you might want to reevaluate your life choices and think about whether it is something y…

> I would say that if you are doing something the US government has a significant interest in prosecuting, you might want to reevaluate your life choices and think about whether it is something you ought to be doing in the first place.

Sounds like the people who ran the Underground Railroad would have had significant thinking to do, by your logic. They probably should have gone home and abided by the law of the land, like the fugitive slave acts and Dred Scott v. Sandford.

To say nothing people living in Iran and China today.

Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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post #242
post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my favorite HN comments of all time [0] suggested that MMO's provide plentiful means of covertly communicating: >MMO's are packed with possible communication channels in addition to chat. Ever wonder if that annoying gnome in the auction hall is jumping in morse code? Could signals be sent with bids? Could a character's inventory contents be arranged to leave a message to someone else who shares the login info…

> MMO's provide plentiful means of covertly communicating This is a plot device in http://enwp.org/Little_Brother_%28Doctorow_novel%29 >.

Also in the film Four Lions where terrorists use an online game to communicate (basically an unbranded Club Penguin). Wouldn't particularly recommend watching the film (it isn't bad, it is just depressing...which is the aim) but the media coverage of this does suggest it is occurring.

Re: The FBI Identified a Tor User

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if you’re surprised that the US government can identify TOR users, then you should look up who primarily funds the TOR foundation

Oh oh I know! 38% the US government, 36% individual donors (people like me), 16% private foundations, 5% other (not US) governments, 9% corporations and 1.5% "other"

https://blog.torproject.org/transparency-openness-and-our-20...

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