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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by JimBlackwood »

cpsns wrote: post #405
mo_42 wrote: post #234

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Personally, I switched to Asahi Linux on my M1. It’s becoming the perfect experience for me: Apple hardware with an OS without bloat. (Yes, many things don’t work yet. For personal use it’s fine though)

I’ll never be overly critical of anyone’s computing choices, but this just seems like the worst of both worlds to me unless you specifically want to tinker with Apple-ARM Linux. Why not Linux on much better supported hardware from Lenovo or Dell? It just doesn’t make sense to me to buy such an expensive computer only to remove a core part of the package, Mac OS.

I think you’d be surprised!

I have a Dell Workstation from work (Specifically a Linux supported one, whatever that means) using linux and my personal Macbook Air M1 is running Asahi Linux.

I really ran into no issues, the experience was almost scarily smooth. Everything just works. Sleep is definitely worse than on MacOS but it’s better than my Dell.

I can’t name a single thing that is not equally bad or worse on the Dell.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by Alex3917 »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #592

Of course I bought a new 14" MBP with M1 Pro two weeks ago. Looks like if i had waited, I could have paid the same price for faster CPU with more cores, faster wifi, and 8K HDMI output. I guess that's how it goes.

You can return it within 14 days of receiving it.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by agloe_dreams »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #10

Strange that Apple still isn't offering OLED screens when most other laptop makers are this year...

My work machine is a 14 inch Macbook Pro and my personal machine is a Samsung Galaxy Book Pro 360.

The Galaxy Book has a Samsung OLED (I also had a Galaxy Chromebook 4K OLED), it is a beautiful display with up to 400 nits brightness....

The 14 inch macbook pro lays a massive beatdown on it in an extremely hardcore way: Up to 1000 nits full display brightness with HDR capabilities up to 1,600 nits.

OLED displays are limited on peak brightness and it is brutal when you see it, the Macbook Pro 14 actually reduces peak brightness to 100 more than a standard OLED display to save battery. but grab a tweak like this: https://www.getvivid.app/ and you can crank it all the way up to 1000.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by crazygringo »

londons_explore wrote: post #583
ehzy wrote: post #538

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My understanding is that it's actually quite difficult to fit a high quality camera into a laptop lid. If you look at how thin the lid is you'll notice it's at least twice as thin as a cell phone.

Doesn't stop them using compound-eye like designs... They can be very thin and have 100+ 'cameras' over just a few square millimeters, all using the same CCD. As a bonus, they (after a bit of processing) output 3d information, allowing them to use the same system for face ID etc.

Surely these are either much more expensive or much lower resolution though?

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by coder543 »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #239
nicoburns wrote: post #100

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It's no secret that Apple's M2 series processors are a pretty minor improvement over the M1 series. Expect much bigger improvements in the M3 series which will likely be using TSMC's 3nm process (and then probably only minor improvements again for the M4 series). It seems that Apple's ridiculously impressive consistent year-on-year gains up the M1 were in large part possible because they were behind the state of the…

Apple’s M1 chips already offered improvements compared to their previous generation Intel chips, and Intel hasn’t exactly been innovating in the last 2 years. By all accounts, they have been ahead of Intel, at the very least. I’m not exactly sure how Apple was “behind the state of the art” and has caught up. Can you explain?

> Intel hasn’t exactly been innovating in the last 2 years.

What on earth are you talking about?! Alder Lake was a huge step up for Intel, and Raptor Lake has improved things more than I would have expected as well. Before Alder Lake, Intel's CPUs honestly sucked. AMD still seems to have a modest competitive advantage in terms of efficiency and battery life (making AMD not that far off from where Apple is in hours of practical battery life when doing something other than looking at a static screenshot for hours on end), but Intel makes up for that with performance, and as I recall, Alder Lake is still more efficient than what Intel had before in laptops.

Sapphire Rapids is also a huge innovation compared to what Intel had been doing for years in the server market. Intel has also been introducing some really interesting GPU products now to bring competition to AMD and Nvidia, but it will probably take another generation or two to iron things out. If none of that is "innovation", then I don't know what is!

The last 2 years are the first time Intel has really been innovating in the past 5+ years!

When M1 came out, it was awesome. Since then, Intel and AMD have released processors that are significantly more competitive, while M2 was a mediocre step forward. I appreciate my M2 MBA, but Apple Silicon needs a huge upgrade with M3 to remain competitive.

For a lot of legitimate use cases, there are at least half a dozen Windows laptops coming out right now that I would instantly pick over a MacBook, and the same would not have been said 2 years ago.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by deergomoo »

wrldos wrote: post #2

Pricing has gone crazy here in the UK. Paid £1899 for my M1 Pro. Same spec M2 Pro is £2199. Edit: at this rate when my previous gen one expires I'm going to think seriously about shifting back to ThinkPads...

Yeah, I get that it’s a reflection of the state of things but it doesn’t make it any less disheartening. I just expect every new generation of their products to come with a £100-400 price jump now.

Or, in the case of the iPads last time round, a price jump for the exact same product.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by qwytw »

nfriedly wrote: post #577
rmccue wrote: post #130

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That's (confusingly) a different MagSafe. Apple has MagSafe connectors for charging on laptops, which was the original MagSafe. The name comes from the connector being magnetic, and being "safe" since tripping over the cable would make it disconnect without pulling your laptop off the table. They discontinued this in favour of charging through USB-C cables/ports a while back. They then introduced magnetic charging fo…

I wouldn't call them unrelated. They're both charging connectors with magnets. (I know the iPhone one is wireless, but still.) Also, the laptop side is on it's third iteration, so at this point "MagSafe" is more of a category than a specific connector.

Well MagSafe (the macbook charger one) is closer to USB-C in almost every way than it is to Wireless charging. I think it's just basically a different usb-c connector with a magnet attached.

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Post by nfriedly »

arepublicadoceu wrote: post #564
ericpauley wrote: post #287

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Are you saying it's used 5% of its total life? That seems pretty good over 3+ years, for an estimated overall lifespan of 60 years. No doubt the machine will be replaced for some other reason by then.

5% left. Meaning that the ssd is almost dying.

I'd recommend taking it into an Apple store and asking them about it. I don't think I've ever in my life seen an SSD with less than 80-90% life left.

Something has to have gone wrong for it to have burned up 95% of it's life in ~5 years of normal usage.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by brundolf »

londons_explore wrote: post #524

In the feature list, the most underwhelming item to me is the '1080p FaceTime HD camera'. Aren't pretty much all cameras at least 1080p by now? I'd expect a top of the line laptop to have a multi-megapixel camera able to push 240fps for slowmo and windowing abilities to allow software zoom while still outputting a high enough resolution feed that someone viewing on another macbook pro can't see the pixels (ie. more t…

Until very recently, MacBooks were famously stuck with 720p webcams. So from that perspective 1080p is a feature worth mentioning

In any case, I personally don't really care how much fine detail my friends and coworkers can see when I'm talking with them. If I were a streamer or something I might care, but those people probably have dedicated hardware. I think for the average person 1080p is enough

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