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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by ynx » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:38 PM UTC

waboremo wrote: post #359

itslennysfault wrote: post #332

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I feel like people have ALWAYS had problems when upgrading MacOS (or OSX). However, those problems aren't with the OS itself usually, but 3rd party software that lags. For that reason I always intentionally lag 1 major version behind. I'll upgrade to Ventura whenever the next version is released. Been doing this forever and can't recommend it highly enough.

I don't entirely think it's just 3rd party software, I think Apple's decision to bundle major app and OS updates together gives people the illusion that every major release is causing problems. If they were to separate their first party app updates and OS updates (release wise, they can still market them together), more people would be able to pinpoint "ok it's not the entire update since I was on it just fine for a…

OS X user since 10.3, and while I share the opinion that their software quality has gone downhill, they've always done bundled app and OS upgrades: they co-develop major updates to the OS and its SDKs with applications that make use of them. That isn't a major delta from prior releases which held themselves to higher standards.

While holding back app updates to stabilize the early upgrade experience might work, it's also somewhat contradictory to the idea that they upgraded the apps and their features and upgraded the OS as necessary to support the apps and features.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by CharlesW » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #524

In the feature list, the most underwhelming item to me is the '1080p FaceTime HD camera'. Aren't pretty much all cameras at least 1080p by now? I'd expect a top of the line laptop to have a multi-megapixel camera able to push 240fps for slowmo and windowing abilities to allow software zoom while still outputting a high enough resolution feed that someone viewing on another macbook pro can't see the pixels (ie. more t…

> Can anyone provide insight why Apple didn't put more effort into cameras?

I assume because for users who need more than a basic webcam, Apple has Continuity Camera¹². And of course there are lots of people at the high-end using DSLRs as their webcam.

¹ https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213244 ² https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209037

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by stonecharioteer » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

isolli wrote: post #121

gnufied wrote: post #46

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I have both a latest generation Thinkpad P1 Gen5 and Macbook Pro 16 inch M1 pro and while it is true that Macbook comes pretty close to being a perfect laptop, I still miss the productivity of a Linux laptop (for backend dev work). From what hardware POV you are correct, I wish though Apple would adopt Carbon Magnesium chasis that thinkpad uses. For same 16inch size, Thinkpad is noticeably lighter. I can happy lug my…

What really pushed me towards Apple is that Lenovo offers a very limited set of configurations to us Europeans. No way to get the best machine from them, even if we're willing to pay for it.

I had the same problem with Lenovo here in India. I bought an Asus instead. got a Ryzen 9 6800 machine with 32gb ram and a 3050ti. amazingly good with Fedora.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by johncalvinyoung » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

ClassyJacket wrote: post #438

lwhalen wrote: post #366

What is up with the gigantic notch? Deal-killer for me, personally. My Intel MBP works just fine so long as I disable Intel TurboBoost.

The only thing that's in there is a very low quality webcam and an ambient light sensor so as far as I can tell it's 90% empty black space.

it's not magical, but if Apple's 1080p camera is 'very low quality', I have plenty of experience on potato-cams to talk about, even in the previous generation.

I also suspect that the design was intended for Face ID, but that obviously hasn't happened yet. I'd keep touch ID, thank you very much.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by sneak » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

agloeregrets wrote: post #542

sneak wrote: post #535

No increase in max configurable storage (8TB). 96GB ram is cool but these are targeting A/V production among other things and 8TB is not huge in that regard (unlike 12 cpu cores, 96GB ram, etc). A 12 or 16TB configurable SSD would be nice.

Fair, though I would want that thunderbolt anyways. I would be terrified to be using the internal storage for more than local cache of any project.

File synchronization/backup is a thing. For those of us who travel full-time (hence, maxxed out powerful beast laptop) having dongly-things dangling off is a hazard.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by brabel » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

optymizer wrote: post #153

dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

I've just upgraded my two Macs, one Mackbook Air around 3 years old, and a more recent MBP M1. Both worked perfectly fine. What could be causing your issues if not the OS?

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by xpe » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

gigatexal wrote: post #381

xpe wrote: post #270

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You may control _more_ but not certainly everything. You choose from the options available to you. You don’t control the processor internals, chipset, networking hardware, or millions of decisions behind the software and hardware. I’d say you curate, but you don’t really control.

You’re being needlessly pendantic: of course I don’t control the stuff in the cpu or the firmware blobs in the Wifi … but I control my OS and have freedom to choose a different distro or even a BSD one if I like — I love that I’m part of a community of hackers of fellow Linux nerds (and thinkpad enthusiasts) instead of being beholden to a giant company to dictate the direction the OS will take. It has its pros and it…

Yes, I understand what you are saying.

It is interesting: I clarify and point out the limits of your (own) control, which you agree with, but you still call me pedantic.

You didn't have to write "everything". You could have said "more".

It is so easy for open source proponents (which I am, but not to an unlimited degree) to fall into these illusions that are entangled with imprecise language.

Perhaps the answer is not to shoot the messenger? Perhaps the cause of the negativity is the realization that we don't have that much control. You knew this at some level, but your choice of language downplays it. The big manufacturers are in the drivers seat, like it or not. This reality is uncomfortable. Better not to mention it, then!

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by habosa » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:41 PM UTC

superkuh wrote: post #231

dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

Things may be great on the high end of Apple's M1/M2 laptops given they actually have enough ram for simple tasks. But those are also insanely expensive. At the low end Apple is actively ripping off users providing computers which can't even edit photos. My father, a long time apple user, decided to get an Apple M1 to replace his old Apple macbook. He bought the M1 8GB model (without consulting me). Turns out that th…

Yes. I feel that the tech media has done a terrible disservice by recommending the 8GB Apple M1 laptops. I am not sure what it is about that architecture but they are completely unusable under load in a way that's not true of my 2015 i5 laptop which also has 8GB of RAM (which is slow all the time, but not as bad at the worst times as the M1 was).

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:41 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #524

In the feature list, the most underwhelming item to me is the '1080p FaceTime HD camera'. Aren't pretty much all cameras at least 1080p by now? I'd expect a top of the line laptop to have a multi-megapixel camera able to push 240fps for slowmo and windowing abilities to allow software zoom while still outputting a high enough resolution feed that someone viewing on another macbook pro can't see the pixels (ie. more t…

No idea why they don't just stick one of the iPhone cameras in there. Heck, use the last gen camera. If the camera isn't too big for the iphone then it's not too big for a laptop- especially with the notch.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by penjelly » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 5:41 PM UTC

SystemOut wrote: post #430

optymizer wrote: post #153

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

My M1 MBP wouldn't reconnect to my monitor via USB-C until I unplugged the monitor and plugged it back in. Of course, I had to go digging on forums to find that out. Permission issues also arise after every upgrade. I purposely wait until the .1 so that other people find all these issues but it's still super annoying.

i have similar issues with my m1 max, using an ultrawide monitor while in clamshell