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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Battery is NOT whole day. People shouldn’t fall for that. Yeah, battery is great, not arguing that. But if you use heavy web apps and do a lot of VC, half day is best you can get.

It is if you're using Safari. I have two M1 Max MBPs. My personal machine runs Chrome, and my work machine runs Safari. I can run my work machine for well over a day doing iOS development in Xcode with an external monitor attached and not run out of battery. The personal machine will last almost all day (without a monitor attached) but not quite. I'm sure if I used Safari it would last much longer.

I've tried both. Safari does some neat tricks to reduce usage when pages are not active. But if you have a heavy webapp - you have a heavy webapp, and power will be used.

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No increase in max configurable storage (8TB). 96GB ram is cool but these are targeting A/V production among other things and 8TB is not huge in that regard (unlike 12 cpu cores, 96GB ram, etc). A 12 or 16TB configurable SSD would be nice.

Fair, though I would want that thunderbolt anyways. I would be terrified to be using the internal storage for more than local cache of any project.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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"that will not get old very soon" No idea how you can write that with straight fingers.

I’m still using a 2015 MacBook Pro, and it doesn’t feel slow. I’ve done no repairs or maintenance on it in all that time.

I tried the older 14" MacBook Pro for just over a month, and it's a world of difference going back to my late 2013 13" MacBook Pro.

I've been holding out for the new one and will be placing an order in a bit. :) The splurge will more than make up for the hours of life I'll save from browsing resource-heavy websites.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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> are ridiculously expensive What makes you say this? Have you speced two systems lately? Last I did, the MacBook was comparable to cheaper for the price/performance. Of course, a 10lb mobile desktop with a 30 minute battery was closest. What comparable notebook do you have in mind?

It depends on how you spec it. Apple charges an arm and a leg for ram/storage upgrades

I was about to say the same thing but I've just had a look at Dell for a product comparison.

It seems crazy to me that in 2023 Apple offer a £2,699.00 laptop with just 512Gb of non-upgradable storage.

Looking at Dell's Precision line bundled with Ubuntu, they might be user upgradable but they're still roughly a similar ball park to Apple price wise.

Personally I'm going to need to see some full package benchmarks before I can form an opinion and will be weeping either way.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Yes, the year over year improvements were 90% just the tsmc node changes. But the ridiculous (and IMO amazing) performance per watt is a mix of iOS/macOS and their chip design. Those efficiency cores are unmatched, paired with the right scheduling from the OS. The M2 is underwhelming as its the same 5nm as the M1 was. But rumors say the M2 pro and max are on the 3nm node. And it took so long for the release, as 3nm w…

In the beginning I thought the “performance per watt” thing was just folks who want Apple to be better clinging to a stat that made it look like that was the case. But in late 2021 I was long overdue for an upgrade, so I got an M1 Max MacBook Pro and holy hell, now I get it. The battery lasts stupid long. Like, the fact that I can bring this thing on a plane or train without worrying if they’ll have working electric…

Yea, I upgraded to an M1 Pro and it's truly amazing. I used to always look at benchmarks and always want to upgrade to the newest thing that was coming out. Now I have a laptop that feels like it just works. It doesn't get hot, I've never heard the fan, and just so many of the typical worries/concerns just aren't there for me anymore.

Yesterday, there was an article about Intel showing off a "35 watt" chip that was benchmarking better than last year's 125 watt chip. Except, you go into the comments and people note that it'll draw 107 watts for short periods of time - probably just long enough to get good benchmark scores.

The magic of the M-series processors is that they have really great sustainable performance and without needing to draw power and create heat like Intel's. The Razor Blade machines are amazing in how they deal with the amount of heat generated with their liquid cooling and everything (it's quite a design), but as you note it's still a jet-engine sounding machine that requires being tethered to power.

One of the big things that Apple showed off when introducing the M1 Pro/Max was the idea that you could be a creator doing your job and no longer feel like you were tied to a power outlet. Photoshop from a park or edit video wherever you are: you really don't need more power than you'll always have with you.

As I said, I bought the M1 Pro and specifically upgraded to the 8 performance core version of it. I'd always bought the high-watt Intel processors for my MacBook, not the paltry 15W Intel parts. I had a 2020 MacBook Pro with 2.3GHz Core i7 (28W, 10nm) and I'd regularly have it get really hot, the fan often wasn't too loud but it was always a constant drone, and things felt slow.

My next machine is going to be a MacBook Air. I feel like I'm using nothing on this machine. I have 8 performance cores and 2 efficiency cores, but it just feels like there's no point to having that much CPU. It's a really crazy feeling for me. Yes, more performance will be useful for some people, especially people who do video editing, graphics, etc. But damn does all my work never even come close to stressing this thing - something I'd regularly have a problem with on Intel's greatest drawing a lot more power and making a lot more heat just a year before. Intel has made some strides since then and I'm happy that their newer processors are doing well, but for the first time in my life it just feels like I don't care.

I might grab a 3nm laptop from Apple when those come out, but I'm not anxiously awaiting them. I might just wait for whatever comes after TSMC's 3nm process. I am kinda excited that I can go to a MacBook Air.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Battery is NOT whole day. People shouldn’t fall for that. Yeah, battery is great, not arguing that. But if you use heavy web apps and do a lot of VC, half day is best you can get.

I hope you don't use Chrome for those web apps. Google stuff has terrible power efficiency.

Same effects both on Chrome and Safari.

But that's also irrelevant. Whole day of battery, if you don't use heavy apps is very different from whole day of battery.

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

I feel like people have ALWAYS had problems when upgrading MacOS (or OSX). However, those problems aren't with the OS itself usually, but 3rd party software that lags. For that reason I always intentionally lag 1 major version behind. I'll upgrade to Ventura whenever the next version is released. Been doing this forever and can't recommend it highly enough.

> but 3rd party software that lags

Microsoft does distribute beta versions of Windows for third-parties to test against.

Does apple do the same? If Apple doesn't, then it's Apple's we have to blame it onto.

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Yeah, not as enthusiastic about OS X as I used to be, but I wish I had that kind of hardware in everything now.

Maybe it's my nostalgia/rose tinted glasses talking, but I recently used one of the old white plastic macbooks running Snow Leopard 10.6.8 and was shocked at how instantaneous the user interface felt in comparison with Ventura on a modern machine. Even small details, such as opening/closing windows and typing text into TextEdit feels like it has lower delay/input lag on the old hardware/software. Had a similar feelin…

I recently decommissioned my iMac Pro and wiped its storage, which involved a High Sierra reinstall via Internet Recovery (http netboot).

It's amazing how snappy it is. I wish Apple would offer levers to turn off all the new (and laggy) features in their OSes for those of us who just want a computer to be simple and run apps.

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