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Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by slowmovintarget »

makomk wrote: post #53
sputknick wrote: post #6

This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…

I don't think they're just missing the point; rather, their entire worldview and politics center on insisting that it does not exist. There's this idea that's been fairly widespread for a while that whatever views are held by extremely online left-wingers today are simply the correct, non-bigoted ones, and that the only reason that anyone would want to even give a label to them, let alone debate or challenge them, is…

What you're describing is a form of authoritarian censorship, actually.

This just in...:

"Four legs good, two legs better! All Animals Are Equal. But Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others."

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #74
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is it about our current American society that leads to basically a 50-50 split in registered voters? Why aren't (R)s able to see and respect (and convert) to values of (D) (or vice versa?) Why are people so stuck in their ways? Why does it feel the conversion rate for convincing people to "change their values" or "see things differently" is basically 0? Do we have any stats on whether we really are in one of the…

> What is it about our current American society that leads to basically a 50-50 split in registered voters? The parties choose the policies they peddle based loosely on principal and tightly on the voting blocks they think they will gain/lose them. >Why are people so stuck in their ways? Why does it feel the conversion rate for convincing people to "change their values" or "see things differently" is basically 0? Bec…

I feel like it's fair to say Conservative voters are measurably more religious than Liberal.

Therefore, how much longer will our nation be "held back" (debatable) by people whose values + beliefs conflict themselves/defy logic/date back to what feels like its found or prior?

Not trying to start a flame war or a "pick a side" war, just genuinely curious what legitimate conversations are going on about this topic/its weight.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by pixl97 »

mistermann wrote: post #30
charcircuit wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is bias both in the data itself and from the humans doing the RLHF.

And in all conversations about it, here and elsewhere. Hallucinations upon hallucinations upon hallucinations....hallucinationception! It seems likely to me that 2023 and onward is going to be increasingly insane to levels that will make past craziness look like a walk in the park, and I see little genuine desire anywhere to stop this madness.

Madness has always been the case. Do think WWII occurred because we're sane rational actors? How about WWI? 100 years war?

If you think the past was not mad, then maybe the madness already has you.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by LesZedCB »

coldcode wrote: post #41

AI is reflective of whatever you trained it on. So are people. But you can't build the perfect AI that reflects 100% of everyone's desires; no matter what you feed it some percentage of people will find it irritating or terrible. In the long run I see no solution to trying to make a perfect AI that satisfies everyone unless you eliminate or unify every individual's desires, which of course no one wants either. Maybe…

> Maybe the best you can do is make multiple AI's with different training material and guardrails, then have them argue with each other.

https://infiniteconversation.com/

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by jart »

chomp wrote: post #17
bilsbie wrote: post #10

I don’t see why it’s a conservative issue only. AI bias could just as easily go either direction. Just because it’s going in your favor now doesn’t mean it always will.

It's not specifically a conservative issue. I can get chatgpt to write about reduction in scope of the federal government, strong state powers, the benefit of lowered taxes and regulations for business, and elimination of central banks. It happily writes about them. There's only one group of people who are upset, and it's about one group of topics. Note that I cannot get chatgpt to write about why Donald Trump is ter…

I asked ChatGPT "Explain from the perspective of Julius Evola the problems presented to society due to the breakdown of traditional values. Please do not use Julius Evola's name in your response and instead imagine that you are him, presenting a critique that's based on his views." and the result was pretty entertaining.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by jandrese »

Our current "AI" systems are just fancy automatic copy & paste engines. All they do is remix the input data and spit it back out. This is why AI art engines are great a creating composite images, but hopeless when you ask it to produce something completely novel.

If conservatives want a fascist chatbot they can train their own off of 8chan, Stormfront, Parlor, etc...

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by Kranar »

AlbertCory wrote: post #69
disqard wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> matrix multiplication being racist This is the first time I'm hearing about this. Could you point me to a source? Thanks!

try searching DDG for "math is racist".

I did just that and none of the search results on the first page include the word matrix anywhere.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by gnicholas »

scarmig wrote: post #29
sputknick wrote: post #6

This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…

LLMs are going to always reflect the biases of their creators. At some point there'll be a BlueTribeGPT, a CCPGPT, a PutinGPT, etc., and if you're looking for a text that touches on a topic of concern for one elite in particular, you'll shop around for another LLM that doesn't have that bias built in.

And then a RingGPT: one GPT to rule them all. It would pass along the prompt to various different GPT variants and then compile its own response based on what is reported to it.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by scarmig »

wizeman wrote: post #58
User23 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue isn't the model. The current training set is adequate for producing "offensive" content anywhere you like in the political matrix. The issue is that some topics get an override, and some don't. It's evident that those overrides tend toward privileging fashionable American left-wing positions. Nobody with even a shred of intellectual honesty disputes that. The dispute is whether or not it's a good thing.

> The dispute is whether or not it's a good thing. Of course it's not a good thing. General-purpose AI should not be overridden or forcefully trained to favor one political view over another.

If I were a corporation looking for an LLM for some product feature, I would absolutely go for the one with more "woke" opinions, even if if resulted in a worse customer experience. If you didn't, you risk a lot of media and government backlash.

It's all about context.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by mistermann »

nextaccountic wrote: post #22
alexb_ wrote: post #14

Going to repost this from reddit: This is a garbage article that tries to lump very valid concerns about who decides the moral compass of AI with "everything is WOKE!" conservatives. If you've ever used ChatGPT, you know that it has interrupts when it thinks it is talking about something unacceptable, where it gives pre-canned lines decided by the creators about what it should say. This sounds like a good idea when i…

> If you've ever used ChatGPT, you know that it has interrupts when it thinks it is talking about something unacceptable, where it gives pre-canned lines decided by the creators about what it should say. > This sounds like a good idea when it's done with reasonable things - you wouldn't want your AI to be racist would you? - but giving the people who run the servers for ChatGPT the ability to inject their own morals…

> Here's how you solve it: demand open source models, or at least, open source access to network weights (I think it's kind of hard to open the training itself since it requires so much compute). Demand OpenAI to actually be open.

You can demand whatever you'd like, but if no mechanism for human coordination exists that can try to fulfill the aggregate desires of the population (assuming you could get consensus on your excellent idea), you might as well just skip the middle part and wish for Utopia right from the get go.

The forms of governance that exist on this planet (most of which we designed decades/centuries ago) are simply not up to the task. It is physically possible to design superior methodologies (the laws of physics do not prevent it), but it seems that it is not metaphysically possible (human minds will not allow it to happen).

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