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Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by kcmastrpc »

zackees wrote: post #11
sputknick wrote: post #6

This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…

Wait until open source devs make their own AI. Vice will invert their narrative to attack it

This has already happened, someone trained a giant model on 4chan then unleashed on 4chan... hilarious stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efPrtcLdcdM

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by nextaccountic »

alexb_ wrote: post #14

Going to repost this from reddit: This is a garbage article that tries to lump very valid concerns about who decides the moral compass of AI with "everything is WOKE!" conservatives. If you've ever used ChatGPT, you know that it has interrupts when it thinks it is talking about something unacceptable, where it gives pre-canned lines decided by the creators about what it should say. This sounds like a good idea when i…

> If you've ever used ChatGPT, you know that it has interrupts when it thinks it is talking about something unacceptable, where it gives pre-canned lines decided by the creators about what it should say.

> This sounds like a good idea when it's done with reasonable things - you wouldn't want your AI to be racist would you? - but giving the people who run the servers for ChatGPT the ability to inject their own morals and political beliefs is a very real concern for people.

Here's how you solve it: demand open source models, or at least, open source access to network weights (I think it's kind of hard to open the training itself since it requires so much compute). Demand OpenAI to actually be open.

When Stable Diffusion was opened, the first thing people did was removing the morality systems to prevent NSFW - either interrupts like this, or even retrained the network to better generate human anatomy (which has advantages that goes beyond NSFW images). There is no effective control that Stability AI can impose on this technology now.

As long as OpenAI products are closed behind a SaSS, ChatGPT and other models will be controlled by them.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by charcircuit »

MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #19
sputknick wrote: post #6

This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…

I see it as more of a hack-y post training fix. If you train a model on a corpus of text sourced from the Internet, it's going to include all the crazy biases people have in their writing. The model itself doesn't know what truth is, so the training text is all equally valid to it. And because they don't want another MS Tay incident, they slap a comically sensitive filter on the output, which itself is also influence…

There is bias both in the data itself and from the humans doing the RLHF.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by RC_ITR »

bilsbie wrote: post #10

I don’t see why it’s a conservative issue only. AI bias could just as easily go either direction. Just because it’s going in your favor now doesn’t mean it always will.

Divorcing the conservative/liberal split from its current muddied use in American politics:

Conservatism generally follows the principle of “be conservative in your attempts to alter society”.

OpenAI is being aggressive in moderating ChatGPT, and that’s against the core principle of conservatism (at the end of the day, LLMs are taking what people say and reflecting it back, but OpenAI is adding the extra step of only reflecting some of what people say)

Re-connecting this to the reality of American politics: ChatGPT is made by a diverse team of people nucleated around San Francisco. Some people believe that the ChatGPT team is pushing “Liberal” talking points instead of the “Conservative” talking points, so they are mad.

EDIT: Since this is turning flaewar-ey and Dang is already on me about that, I suggest anyone reading this comment also read the Wikipedia article on conservatism [0].

Long story short, it's situational based on the muddy definition of "traditional," so many specific examples you bring up will probably seem to violate the above tenant (e.g., 1940's Conservatives in the Soviet Union hated free enterprise, despite Communism being a relatively new and unproven system), but given broader context, the above definition is usually pretty consistent.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by User23 »

pohl wrote: post #9

Now I'm wondering what it would be like if the model were strictly trained on text that Conservapedia might approve of.

The issue isn't the model. The current training set is adequate for producing "offensive" content anywhere you like in the political matrix. The issue is that some topics get an override, and some don't. It's evident that those overrides tend toward privileging fashionable American left-wing positions. Nobody with even a shred of intellectual honesty disputes that. The dispute is whether or not it's a good thing.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by mistermann »

Well this should make for an interesting conversation, and I suspect we will see lots of these in the coming years:

A biological AI (BAI) writer for Vice hallucinating details about other (hallucinated) BAI's (conservatives) hallucinating about a silicon based AI hallucinating about "reality" (a model derived from BAI hallucinations), discussed by other BAI's on a forum using hallucinated details.

The layers of indirection and recursion society is adding onto the system we live within is starting to get a little alarming....good thing I'm probably just (only, and nothing else) hallucinating, and all is (lol) actually well here on Planet Earth.

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Post by scarmig »

sputknick wrote: post #6

This is a really important topic, and good that Vice is bringing it up now versus 5-10 years from now. I think they miss the more general point. It's clearly biased in its outputs, but the article dismisses this concern as "the end result of years of researcher trying to mitigate bias against minority groups". The way I interpret that is "its not biased, because its biased in the way we want it to be". If AI becomes…

LLMs are going to always reflect the biases of their creators. At some point there'll be a BlueTribeGPT, a CCPGPT, a PutinGPT, etc., and if you're looking for a text that touches on a topic of concern for one elite in particular, you'll shop around for another LLM that doesn't have that bias built in.

Re: Conservatives think ChatGPT has gone 'woke'

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Post by mistermann »

charcircuit wrote: post #24
MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see it as more of a hack-y post training fix. If you train a model on a corpus of text sourced from the Internet, it's going to include all the crazy biases people have in their writing. The model itself doesn't know what truth is, so the training text is all equally valid to it. And because they don't want another MS Tay incident, they slap a comically sensitive filter on the output, which itself is also influence…

There is bias both in the data itself and from the humans doing the RLHF.

And in all conversations about it, here and elsewhere. Hallucinations upon hallucinations upon hallucinations....hallucinationception!

It seems likely to me that 2023 and onward is going to be increasingly insane to levels that will make past craziness look like a walk in the park, and I see little genuine desire anywhere to stop this madness.

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