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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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The biggest issue I have with macbooks is that they are ridiculously expensive. They are intended to be portable devices but bringing them anywhere outside my apartment or office is just a huge risk.

> are ridiculously expensive

What makes you say this? Have you speced two systems lately? Last I did, the MacBook was comparable to cheaper for the price/performance. Of course, a 10lb mobile desktop with a 30 minute battery was closest.

What comparable notebook do you have in mind?

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My new setup as of November is an M2 Air (16GB /1 TB) and an base model M1 Studio. I really couldn't be happier. I run a small WFH / Music Production / Photography studio in my basement and I really wanted an always-on always connected computer, for which the Studio has been perfect. The M2 Air is pretty close to a perfect laptop. My complaints (low audio volume, slighty cramped screen) are absolutely dwarfed by the…

Your laptop complaints are addressed by the MBP models, which aren't much heavier if that is your primary objection.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

> plugged in for 12 hours, connected to 2 other displays Going back to the early osx versions there’s have been weird problems when upgrading with peripherals and stuff plugged in

Just to leave that n=1 here, I haven't really used a laptop without an external display (and USB keyboard, Magic Mouse, LAN adapter ...) in well over a decade, and I've never had any issues upgrading macOS, neither on Intel nor on M2.

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Well, when they screw up design, they do it in a spectacular fashion, yes. Considering I buy a new MacBook every decade and they just endure the torture I put them through (I don’t abuse them though), I can say that they are pretty well built machines. Same is true for my 7 year iPhone cycle. I pay similar price to top tier laptops of other big brands, and get what I pay for. Use it for a decade, move the machine to…

> "when they screw up design, they do it in a spectacular fashion" So they do sacrifice for flashiness? > "I buy a new MacBook every decade" Oh, a lot has happened in the last decade. This is an anecdote about 1 or 2 machines you've owned.

No, they make engineering mistakes while trying new things. We call companies stagnant when they don’t try, and we forgive them for trying if they are not Apple. But everyone loves to hate Apple.

I’m currently using a 2014 MacBook Pro and a 2020 M1 MacBook Air. I have also seen and supported a lot of intermediate machines at work. We don’t service them unless somebody spills something liquid on their keyboards.

So, while I owned a few of these things, I have seen and supported way more machines, and my judgement stands based on this experience.

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Do the M* support external displays with are fresh rate greater than 60Hz?

They do. I am on a last gen M1 Pro MacBook 16" using a 240Hz display but it's capped at 120Hz.

then switch cables or docking station. It should support 240

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

I feel like people have ALWAYS had problems when upgrading MacOS (or OSX). However, those problems aren't with the OS itself usually, but 3rd party software that lags. For that reason I always intentionally lag 1 major version behind. I'll upgrade to Ventura whenever the next version is released. Been doing this forever and can't recommend it highly enough.

Before they switched to image-based updates over APFS, the issue was partially with the upgrade process.

My personal record stood at a bit over one week spent observing a dark screen with unmoving progress bar in the hopes that this time it will actually finish the upgrade.

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I bought a MBP 14 (max 32, 32GB, 2TB) Dec 2021 and I mostly don't regret it (probably should've only gotten 24 GPU cores and gone silver). Here are some pros and cons I don't think get enough play: - Turning on "Low Power Mode" when on Battery gives me roughly 10h of battery life. Functionally this is more than good enough for me. - Backlight leakage around the keys feels janky - It's pretty hard to pick it up unless…

Another reason the Air is a good choice for most people is that it doesn't have a fan. I've cleaned quite a bit of dust/lint/etc. out of various laptops. Without a fan, that's much less likely to be an issue.

In one recent case, a family member was about to buy an entire new laptop because their old one was feeling very sluggish. I checked it out and realized that the fan had completely died and the system was constantly thermally throttling. A $12 replacement fan (and a thorough cleaning and CPU repaste) allowed them to put off a $1k+ purchase for at least a couple more years.

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What is your Linux laptop giving you that your MBP doesn’t? And how does it hurt your productivity? Genuinely curious as I don’t see how it can be any different.

For me: - No nagware (no Apple Music pop-ups, advertisements for safari, login nag in settings, et. al) - Built-in package manager - Having (relative) parity between production and development Between those three, you probably couldn't pay me to go back to MacOS. Adding my own package manager, disabling ads and making my Mac into a Linux-equivalent machine is possible, but it's a lot of work to maintain and set up. I…

Apple nagware is a pain in the arse.

On my old MBP I get regularly nagged to update to Monterey. Despite it not being supported.

On my iPhone it wouldn't stop nagging me to accept changes to the iCloud T&Cs. There was no permanent opt out. You could say no for a bit and then it would go back to nagging you.

Same with Apple Music.

Currently my iPhone nags me to disable background running of Garmin Connect, so that I loose integration with my Garmin watch.

None of this endears Apple to me and is definitely a consideration for my next purchase.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

My M1 MBP wouldn't reconnect to my monitor via USB-C until I unplugged the monitor and plugged it back in. Of course, I had to go digging on forums to find that out.

Permission issues also arise after every upgrade. I purposely wait until the .1 so that other people find all these issues but it's still super annoying.

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