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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by Foobar8568 »

isolli wrote: post #121
gnufied wrote: post #46

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I have both a latest generation Thinkpad P1 Gen5 and Macbook Pro 16 inch M1 pro and while it is true that Macbook comes pretty close to being a perfect laptop, I still miss the productivity of a Linux laptop (for backend dev work). From what hardware POV you are correct, I wish though Apple would adopt Carbon Magnesium chasis that thinkpad uses. For same 16inch size, Thinkpad is noticeably lighter. I can happy lug my…

What really pushed me towards Apple is that Lenovo offers a very limited set of configurations to us Europeans. No way to get the best machine from them, even if we're willing to pay for it.

I have seen the contrary... But for parts, we are screwed.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by eropple »

chamwislothe2nd wrote: post #218
eropple wrote: post #136

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They're not even that expensive as tools go, either. My Festool Domino was $1200. It makes one particular hole in a piece of wood. It's very, very good at it--but it doesn't replace my tablesaw ($600) or my bandsaw ($700) or my tracksaw ($400) or my drill/driver ($300) or my jointer ($600) or my planer ($900) or my drill press ($500) or or or--and I did not buy particular spendy variants of any of those, except the D…

Those tools will last forever so that money makes sense. Apples engages in planned obsolescence so the cost isnt the same. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batterygate

Consider how expensive it is to store and operate those tools. Square footage isn't cheap most places; my wood shop probably costs me about $550 a month in used space! In that light, refreshing a laptop every five years or so (on the low end for my usual cadence for Macs; both my 2016 and 2011 Macbook Pros are still in use for dedicated tasks) amortizes out a lot more pleasantly.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by GoldenRacer »

nvarsj wrote: post #173
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

Def the opposite experience for me software wise. Latest joy is chrome hanging whenever tabs are moved. Things randomly seem to crash all the time. Maybe it’s normal for OS X but my Linux experience is pretty much the opposite - rock solid, everything is fast, and nothing breaks. Granted the hardware does seem really good (except for slow anything to do with x86 and a useless GPU that can’t play games or do VR).

For me, it's the WiFi that is completely botched. The status bar will frequently display incorrect statuses and trying to select a network from the status bar hardly ever works. I have to go into system preferences which has a tendency to totally freeze up for minutes at a time when I select the network tab.

Then it'll occasionally get into a state where it tells me it's connected to the network but doesn't have Internet access and it must be a problem with the network (I know it's not because I have other devices connected to the same network that work fine). To get out of this, I have to turn WiFi off and back on again but Apple in there infinite wisdom has decided if I turn it off and back on too quickly, I must've done so by mistake and so they don't actually ever turn it off. So I have to turn it off, wait some unknown period of time (I usually wait 30s), and then turn it back on. Drives me crazy.

In the end, every morning when I get to work, I expect it to be roughly 5 minutes between when I arrive and when I'm actually online.

My personal computer running Linux has never had such a ridiculous issue (it does occasionally have issues but they're usually fixable after a quick Google search) but somehow everyone claims Apple just works and Linux is to much of a pain.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by FearlessNebula »

mathverse wrote: post #335

The biggest issue I have with macbooks is that they are ridiculously expensive. They are intended to be portable devices but bringing them anywhere outside my apartment or office is just a huge risk.

They’re not much more expensive than a Windows laptop of similar specs and quality. AppleCare is fairly cheap if you’re concerned about damage.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by cpsns »

mo_42 wrote: post #234
gigatexal wrote: post #170

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Yup. Software is why I am on Linux on a thinkpad. It’s fast enough. And I control everything.

Personally, I switched to Asahi Linux on my M1. It’s becoming the perfect experience for me: Apple hardware with an OS without bloat. (Yes, many things don’t work yet. For personal use it’s fine though)

I’ll never be overly critical of anyone’s computing choices, but this just seems like the worst of both worlds to me unless you specifically want to tinker with Apple-ARM Linux.

Why not Linux on much better supported hardware from Lenovo or Dell? It just doesn’t make sense to me to buy such an expensive computer only to remove a core part of the package, Mac OS.

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Post by jffry »

lwhalen wrote: post #366

What is up with the gigantic notch? Deal-killer for me, personally. My Intel MBP works just fine so long as I disable Intel TurboBoost.

The screen protrudes up into what would otherwise be a solid black bezel on either side of the camera notch, making the screen area taller than 16:10 aspect ratio.

The OS puts menu items and icons in that bonus space, freeing up _more_ of the uninterrupted rectangular main body of your screen for your apps.

I think if you go into fullscreen mode with an app, it'll blank out the area to either side of the notch and just use the main screen space (or maybe that's configurable for notch-aware software to decide? IDK)

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Post by matwood »

optymizer wrote: post #153
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

As someone else mentioned, people have always had issues when upgrading. So much so that for a long time people recommended wiping and re-installing instead of upgrading. Some of the early macOS versions were also really rough comparatively.

I've been using macs for a long time and have never had any issues though. I also tend to run the betas very early on.

I don't doubt that you have issues though, I just think they have always been some % of users. And, now that more and more people are using macs that % turns into absolute larger numbers.

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Post by yurishimo »

kube-system wrote: post #230
randomopining wrote: post #164

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Is this thing actually faster than a cheap Ryzen build for browsing? Like a 5600g that are super cheap now

Apples M chips are stupid fast at browsing the web because they have some native CPU instructions for JavaScript that x86_64 chips don’t.

Assuming you use Safari. For older relatives, probably not a bad assumption, but an important distinction to make nonetheless.

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Post by ianai »

KMnO4 wrote: post #365
itslennysfault wrote: post #332

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I feel like people have ALWAYS had problems when upgrading MacOS (or OSX). However, those problems aren't with the OS itself usually, but 3rd party software that lags. For that reason I always intentionally lag 1 major version behind. I'll upgrade to Ventura whenever the next version is released. Been doing this forever and can't recommend it highly enough.

The last version that was 100% forward progress for me was Snow Leopard, which was essentially the performance/bug fix revision of Leopard. The Windows 7 from Vista equivalent. Every update since then has felt slow, or introduced bugs. Perhaps it was because Snow Leopard came on a physical disk, so they couldn't "just ship it".

I think it’s time for them to do an OS upgrade like SL again. Just bug fixes. But this time they need to do it across all their devices too.

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Post by evilduck »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #229
jackosdev wrote: post #88

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I have Asahi Linux installed on mine, it works great including the GPU, I’m mainly developing for ARM64 AWS Lambdas now as well so it’s nice having the same arch. Some things are still missing like webcam, microphone and speakers, but the headphone Jack works and Bluetooth is OK just a bit choppy, incredible project.

I know this isn't an Asahi Linux thread, but I cannot help to ask about it. Plus I am big fan of Alyssa Rosenzweig's work (and Justine Tunney), so I pay close attention to Asahi Linux (and LibCosmo/politan) progress. First, it's great to hear from Real World people like you about their Asahi Linux experience. It sounds like the baseline is done and now they will pick away at the remaining pieces. Real question: What…

A good motivation for Asahi is hardware longevity. Apple supports hardware for a reasonable amount of time while I want to use a system as a primary computer but is obviously the worst among the 3 major operating systems and it curtails the long tail life of a system. In 7-9 years from now Asahi (or some other linux distro) will probably be the best way to keep an M1 Mac on an up to date and secure operating system.
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