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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by gigatexal » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 4:14 PM UTC

xpe wrote: post #270

gigatexal wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. Software is why I am on Linux on a thinkpad. It’s fast enough. And I control everything.

You may control _more_ but not certainly everything. You choose from the options available to you. You don’t control the processor internals, chipset, networking hardware, or millions of decisions behind the software and hardware. I’d say you curate, but you don’t really control.

You’re being needlessly pendantic: of course I don’t control the stuff in the cpu or the firmware blobs in the Wifi … but I control my OS and have freedom to choose a different distro or even a BSD one if I like — I love that I’m part of a community of hackers of fellow Linux nerds (and thinkpad enthusiasts) instead of being beholden to a giant company to dictate the direction the OS will take. It has its pros and it has its cons but on the whole I like it a ton more.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by pineconewarrior » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 4:14 PM UTC

lazyvar wrote: post #7

will this support multiple monitors?

M2 Pro supports 3, M2 supports 2

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by tpmx » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 4:14 PM UTC

KAdot wrote: post #186

hk1337 wrote: post #35

How is development setup on the M2? Specifically Docker and Python. Docker VM has always seemed rather meh on my M1 and installing different python versions with pyenv either goes well or has _a lot_ of workarounds.

macOS 13 Ventura introduced[1] support of running amd64 binaries with Rosetta inside of arm64 Linux VMs when using Apple Virtualization framework. Latest Docker Desktop and Lima VM can take advantage on the new feature. It makes running amd64 containers significantly faster. Here is a very short manual how to setup Docker with Lima VM and Rosetta https://gist.github.com/akrylysov/7c1ea3bac409da2758e525f2f8... [1]: ht…

Docker Desktop on Intel Mac (the "supported" config) is not super stable as is. I'm going to wait for official Docker support until upgrading to an M2 (or M3?) Mac.

Seriously thinking about getting a fast AMD Linux box to run Docker workloads network-locally, I'm working from home 99.9% of the time anyway.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by jmull » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 4:14 PM UTC

jonnycomputer wrote: post #232

Where is the new 27" iMac? That's what I want to know. I ended up buying legacy Intel Macs for staff because the extra screen real-estate is really useful.

Don't hold your breath.

If they intended a 27" iMac I think you would have seen it already.

At this point I think you either go with the 24" one or something like the mini with an external monitor of whatever size you like.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by wiremine » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 4:14 PM UTC

optymizer wrote: post #153

dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

> The software experience is getting worse imo

EVERY OS release will have some issues, and the people who are most impacted are the ones who chime in. If it "just works" for someone, they aren't going to chime in.

This is true of Mac, Windows, Linux, etc. I'd be curious to see a quantitative pre-release breakdown by OS and version. That might be more useful than individual anecdotes, as interesting as those are.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by nscalf » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 4:14 PM UTC

dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

I got an M1 for a recent job change, I've never interacted with one before that and my personal laptop was a relatively old macbook. The thing that amazed me the most was the speed. I would actually get confused because it did things so much faster than I was used to, I would sit and wait for something to happen only to realize it was so fast I had missed it occurring.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by throwaway894345 » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 4:15 PM UTC

dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

I wonder how long until Javon's paradox catches up and degraded software quality eats all of the performance gains afforded by the new hardware. The 2020s version of "Andy giveth and Bill taketh away".

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by jonnycomputer » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 4:15 PM UTC

nowherebeen wrote: post #351

I just checked the trade-in value for 16inch M1 Pro 10 core CPU 16 core GPU with 32GB on the Apple website. It's only worth $700USD. I would have thought they would pay more for a 1 year old laptop. I am not looking to upgrade, but am quite surprised by how low the trade-in value is.

I'm sure you could sell it yourself for more than that. I'd certainly buy it at that price.

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Post by FollowingTheDao » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 4:15 PM UTC

mk89 wrote: post #241

mittermayr wrote: post #38

There's also a new Mac Mini, which I found A LOT MORE interesting, given that its keyboard or batteries won't break: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/01/apple-introduces-new-...

I totally agree with you. They are diversifying their laptop/desktop solutions like crazy. Even a Macbook Air can almost compete with the entry-level version of the Macbook Pro, which is great to be honest. I heard they are exceptionally good. Honestly, 7-900$ for a machine that will not get old very soon is not so bad, especially if you already own a screen (which due to WFH you kind of have to have together with a…

"that will not get old very soon"

No idea how you can write that with straight fingers.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by manv1 » Tue, Jan 17, 2023, 4:15 PM UTC

nowherebeen wrote: post #351

I just checked the trade-in value for 16inch M1 Pro 10 core CPU 16 core GPU with 32GB on the Apple website. It's only worth $700USD. I would have thought they would pay more for a 1 year old laptop. I am not looking to upgrade, but am quite surprised by how low the trade-in value is.

It's better for you to sell it on the secondary market, the 16" MBP M1 should be worth about $1400-1600 USD in about a month after the M2 ships.