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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by mk89 »

mittermayr wrote: post #38

There's also a new Mac Mini, which I found A LOT MORE interesting, given that its keyboard or batteries won't break: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/01/apple-introduces-new-...

I totally agree with you.

They are diversifying their laptop/desktop solutions like crazy. Even a Macbook Air can almost compete with the entry-level version of the Macbook Pro, which is great to be honest.

I heard they are exceptionally good.

Honestly, 7-900$ for a machine that will not get old very soon is not so bad, especially if you already own a screen (which due to WFH you kind of have to have together with a "decent" keyboard, etc.)

Very smart move, honestly.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by abakker »

superkuh wrote: post #231
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

Things may be great on the high end of Apple's M1/M2 laptops given they actually have enough ram for simple tasks. But those are also insanely expensive. At the low end Apple is actively ripping off users providing computers which can't even edit photos. My father, a long time apple user, decided to get an Apple M1 to replace his old Apple macbook. He bought the M1 8GB model (without consulting me). Turns out that th…

Interesting. I have one of those computers with 8gb and have not had problems with Lightroom, Photoshop, or Autodesk fusion360. I'm not saying that there are no issues, but the m1s in my experience seem to need less RAM to do the same things.

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Post by cantSpellSober »

Filligree wrote: post #220
cantSpellSober wrote: post #204

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Magsafe v3 supports PD 3.1, and the USB-C ports do not; this is not true

Perhaps, but it's charging at the same rate regardless.

No, the PD spec is much more than a wattage, "it's charging at the same rate" is not necessarily true

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Post by KuzMenachem »

automatic6131 wrote: post #96
a_humean wrote: post #45

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I'm afriad you are going to need to get used to it. The £ is depreciating against the dollar, and wages in the UK have been stagant for 10+ years and are set to remain stagant for another 10 based upon current forecasting. Based upon current trends countries like Poland and Slovakia are going to overtake the UK on many economic metrics within a generation, which is both a credit to the growth of those countries and t…

>Based upon current trends countries like Poland and Slovakia are going to overtake the UK on many economic metrics I'll believe that when I see it >the enmourous decline of the UK relative to places like Germany, France The UK, Germany and France are declining in lockstep, actually. In different ways but all declining >the US Yes this is the killer.

Genuinely curious: why/how are these countries declining in your view?

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Post by taylodl »

Oddskar wrote: post #135
bayindirh wrote: post #19

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They tend to not sacrifice longevity over flashy technologies. They migrated to OLED very late in iPhone when compared to other manufacturers, too. The last thing I want is a burn mark on my laptop screen because of static parts of my IDEs and such.

> They tend to not sacrifice longevity over flashy technologies. Hah! That gave me a good chuckle. There's nothing that screams "longevity" as going out of your way to make all devices utterly irreparable.

My daily driver is the "irreparable" 2012 MBP Retina. You may remember this machine as the one everybody bitched about because the RAM and SSD were soldered into the mainboard and weren't upgradeable or replaceable?

Let's see, it's 2023, hmmmm, seems the machine is coming up on 11 years. IDK about you but I think 11 years is incredible longevity for a laptop. You know, it just might be that making the machine "irreparable" has been key to its longevity.

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Post by VLM »

a_humean wrote: post #45
wrldos wrote: post #2

Pricing has gone crazy here in the UK. Paid £1899 for my M1 Pro. Same spec M2 Pro is £2199. Edit: at this rate when my previous gen one expires I'm going to think seriously about shifting back to ThinkPads...

I'm afriad you are going to need to get used to it. The £ is depreciating against the dollar, and wages in the UK have been stagant for 10+ years and are set to remain stagant for another 10 based upon current forecasting. Based upon current trends countries like Poland and Slovakia are going to overtake the UK on many economic metrics within a generation, which is both a credit to the growth of those countries and t…

Specifically, as a Chinese product, the ratio of UK economy vs Chinese economy is relevant.

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Post by jslql »

masklinn wrote: post #200
jslql wrote: post #180

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With Intel higher = better. What’s better, ultra or pro?

Ultra since pro is the baseline adjective. Not that I find the naming any good but Max v Ultra would have been more of a head scratcher.

I assume Max is better since there’s nothing higher than the maximum.

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Post by Lio »

eropple wrote: post #136
John23832 wrote: post #105

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More anectdata. 16" M1 MBP user here (first batch). No problems with the screen. Travels with me literally everywhere I can take my backpack. No case. Are you using your laptop as a frisbee? As far as Apple tax, you pay for quality tools. In life you get what you pay for.

They're not even that expensive as tools go, either. My Festool Domino was $1200. It makes one particular hole in a piece of wood. It's very, very good at it--but it doesn't replace my tablesaw ($600) or my bandsaw ($700) or my tracksaw ($400) or my drill/driver ($300) or my jointer ($600) or my planer ($900) or my drill press ($500) or or or--and I did not buy particular spendy variants of any of those, except the D…

That's an interesting example. Festool are definitely premium equipment.

I (try to) buy quality tools but I can't really justify Festool for my bodgy DIY attempts. I can barely justify the Bosch Professional tools I tend to buy instead.

My friend, an actual professional who fitted our kitchen, exclusively uses Festool. He can definitely justify it and swears by it. He says it's quicker and the tools suck up more dust which means less time cleaning up and less exposure to lung disease.

He'd never consider buying a MacBook Pro though as he thinks Apple is for poseurs ...like me.

I'm a professional software engineer and not a hairy arsed builder[1].

I spend roughly 8-10 hours a day on a laptop and I want a nice one. I'm probably going to switch from my Dell running Linux back to a MacBook Pro.

(That's for the shiny logo to make me look cool in coffee shops and not the battery life, performance or general attention to detail obvs.)

With regard to useful lifespan, I have an MBP from 2013 that's still going strong even if the OS updates from Apple are getting sparser.

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1. This, apparently, is the vernacular used by friends in the trades to describe a "proper" tradesman. You live and learn I guess. ;)

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by isolli »

yoavm wrote: post #145
isolli wrote: post #121

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What really pushed me towards Apple is that Lenovo offers a very limited set of configurations to us Europeans. No way to get the best machine from them, even if we're willing to pay for it.

I have an X1 Yoga that I got here in the Netherlands, and I had plenty of choices when configuring it, including OS. What are you missing exactly?

I was looking to buy a Lenovo Thinkpad T14 Gen 3, and I could not get a better screen resolution than 1920 x 1200. I just checked and 3840 x 2400 is now available. They may have had supply chain issues. But it's too late for me.

Also, their ARM laptop is only available with Windows.

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Post by Kirby64 »

randomopining wrote: post #164
moonchrome wrote: post #72

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I was thinking about throwing some last gen parts into an old tower/PSU I have to build a desktop for inlaws since they are stuck on a 10year old hand down laptop. This is a good package at that price (599$) - power consumption is likely nothing, MacOS included in price, small and quiet - will comfortably browse the internet, play videos, etc. for the next 5+ years. I won't be able to repair it out of warranty so tha…

Is this thing actually faster than a cheap Ryzen build for browsing? Like a 5600g that are super cheap now

M1 was faster than a 5600g, I think, but you can get a 5-series micro PC for cheaper than even the cheapest Mac Mini. For 'browsing' operations, I suspect it wouldn't matter much. There may be some advantage to using macOS vs. Windows, if this is aiding a family member... since I assume the IT support burden would be lower.
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