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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by rsynnott »

randomopining wrote: post #164
moonchrome wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking about throwing some last gen parts into an old tower/PSU I have to build a desktop for inlaws since they are stuck on a 10year old hand down laptop. This is a good package at that price (599$) - power consumption is likely nothing, MacOS included in price, small and quiet - will comfortably browse the internet, play videos, etc. for the next 5+ years. I won't be able to repair it out of warranty so tha…

Is this thing actually faster than a cheap Ryzen build for browsing? Like a 5600g that are super cheap now

Yes: https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/amd-ryzen-5-5600g https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-air-2022 (same chip as in the cheaper Mini; the Mini has a fan so it should run a _little_ faster there)

Though for web browsing both presumably fall solidly under "good enough".

If I was signing up for Tech Support for Relatives, though, I'd _definitely_ go with the Mac; you don't want to be getting phonecalls about Windows 12 or whatever in 2027.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by wrldos »

a_humean wrote: post #45
wrldos wrote: post #2

Pricing has gone crazy here in the UK. Paid £1899 for my M1 Pro. Same spec M2 Pro is £2199. Edit: at this rate when my previous gen one expires I'm going to think seriously about shifting back to ThinkPads...

I'm afriad you are going to need to get used to it. The £ is depreciating against the dollar, and wages in the UK have been stagant for 10+ years and are set to remain stagant for another 10 based upon current forecasting. Based upon current trends countries like Poland and Slovakia are going to overtake the UK on many economic metrics within a generation, which is both a credit to the growth of those countries and t…

You’re not wrong. Fun times :(

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by fcoury »

thefz wrote: post #191
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

Do the M* support external displays with are fresh rate greater than 60Hz?

They do. I am on a last gen M1 Pro MacBook 16" using a 240Hz display but it's capped at 120Hz.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by cantSpellSober »

Filligree wrote: post #90
cantSpellSober wrote: post #55

> MagSafe 3 charging The biggest differences between v2 and v3 of MagSafe are: • v3 is 1 mm longer (doesn't fit v2 models) • v3 supports PD 3.1 ...is that all? > Thunderbolt 4 Type-C ports ...these do NOT support PD 3.1, correct?

On the M1 Pro, the supplied power brick is a USB-C charger. You can plug it either into the Magsafe port or the C ports on the laptop, and it works the same either way.

Magsafe v3 supports PD 3.1, and the USB-C ports do not; this is not true

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Post by breck »

masklinn wrote: post #192
breck wrote: post #119

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I'm also still on the MacBook Pro M1 and it's amazing. But this new one makes me drool. I am happy to see MagSafe back and the SD card slot and USB-C ports on both sides. Now someone grab my arms before I dump water on this keyboard.

All of that was already on the M1 versions of the same laptops though wasn’t it?

No. At least not on this one: MacBook Pro (13-inch, M1, 2020)

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by thrtythreeforty »

spenvo wrote: post #101
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

> far ahead Losing external GPU support with apple silicon has become a major deal. In the age of AI tools like stable diffusion, performance per watt matters less if you lose the capability to scale up these kind of workloads. Gurman's report about the mac pro tower gave us reason to hope on this (that the upcoming mac pro will have eGPU support), but when it comes to MacBooks, let alone the pros, no one knows when/…

Do these work on Linux? Or is it a limitation of the silicon?

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by dom96 »

optymizer wrote: post #153
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

Can't say I share your experience. Just upgraded to Ventura and didn't run into any issues.

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Post by throwntoday »

gigatexal wrote: post #170
optymizer wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

Yup. Software is why I am on Linux on a thinkpad. It’s fast enough. And I control everything.

As soon as Asahi gets proper GPU support I'm installing linux and relegating macOS to a tiny partition for managing my iPhone.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by 5e92cb50239222b »

mfer wrote: post #115
smoldesu wrote: post #80

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For me: - No nagware (no Apple Music pop-ups, advertisements for safari, login nag in settings, et. al) - Built-in package manager - Having (relative) parity between production and development Between those three, you probably couldn't pay me to go back to MacOS. Adding my own package manager, disabling ads and making my Mac into a Linux-equivalent machine is possible, but it's a lot of work to maintain and set up. I…

I have an M1 Pro MBP and Linux running on a Framework laptop. The Linux built in package manager is only ok. It often lags behind in versions of things I need. I ended up using Homebrew on both Mac and Linux. For the cases the Linux built-in package manager is too out of date I use Homebrew. It's not perfect on either system. > - Having (relative) parity between production and development For certain classes of devel…

There's no such thing as "the Linux package manager". If you want something traditional, dnf runs circles around anything available on macOS, and nixpkg is from another universe altogether.
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