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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

#191
post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

Do the M* support external displays with are fresh rate greater than 60Hz?

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

#192
post #119
post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

I'm also still on the MacBook Pro M1 and it's amazing. But this new one makes me drool. I am happy to see MagSafe back and the SD card slot and USB-C ports on both sides. Now someone grab my arms before I dump water on this keyboard.

All of that was already on the M1 versions of the same laptops though wasn’t it?

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

#194
post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

Very similar experience here when upgrading, although not quite as bad.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

#195
post #115

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For me: - No nagware (no Apple Music pop-ups, advertisements for safari, login nag in settings, et. al) - Built-in package manager - Having (relative) parity between production and development Between those three, you probably couldn't pay me to go back to MacOS. Adding my own package manager, disabling ads and making my Mac into a Linux-equivalent machine is possible, but it's a lot of work to maintain and set up. I…

I have an M1 Pro MBP and Linux running on a Framework laptop. The Linux built in package manager is only ok. It often lags behind in versions of things I need. I ended up using Homebrew on both Mac and Linux. For the cases the Linux built-in package manager is too out of date I use Homebrew. It's not perfect on either system. > - Having (relative) parity between production and development For certain classes of devel…

> The Linux built in package manager is only ok. It often lags behind in versions of things I need

No such thing. What distributions did you have experience with? And what distributions are you running on your production systems?

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

#196

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"They tend to not sacrifice longevity over flashy technologies. " What? In what universe is this true? They spent generations of macbooks on flashy keyboards that didn't work, etc. Trying to pain Apple's inability to keep up in certain area as them trying to care about longevity is hilarious. In the end - it's not about longevity at all, it's almost certainly about whether they can get it at the price point they want…

Well, when they screw up design, they do it in a spectacular fashion, yes. Considering I buy a new MacBook every decade and they just endure the torture I put them through (I don’t abuse them though), I can say that they are pretty well built machines. Same is true for my 7 year iPhone cycle. I pay similar price to top tier laptops of other big brands, and get what I pay for. Use it for a decade, move the machine to…

> "when they screw up design, they do it in a spectacular fashion"

So they do sacrifice for flashiness?

> "I buy a new MacBook every decade"

Oh, a lot has happened in the last decade. This is an anecdote about 1 or 2 machines you've owned.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

#197
post #3

Is it strange these were not announced during a live event?

Not really -- Apple has increasingly pushed more niche updates (spec bumps and ancillary product lines like the mini) via press release, and reserves their keynotes for more notable updates like laptop redesigns and broad-appeal products like the phone and tablet.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

#198
post #53
post #48

Of course they don't show whether or not they got rid of the touchbar on the keyboard

Because they got rid of that over a year ago in these models.

Except they didn't and recently unveiled this 13" MacBook Pro with M2 chip: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/. Granted it's not the 14"/16" model, but still a touch bar on a new model.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

#199

Does someone of you use the whole potential that this kind of chip offers ? What do you use it for ?

I use it to have Xcode reboot faster after it crashes.

This is exactly what makes Apple engineers get up every day, to deliver a better chip for this kind of use cases :D

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

#200
post #180

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Really? There's 4 processors and 2 generations, it's not that hard. Compare to intel: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/details/pro...

With Intel higher = better. What’s better, ultra or pro?

Ultra since pro is the baseline adjective.

Not that I find the naming any good but Max v Ultra would have been more of a head scratcher.

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