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iTerm2 and lima [1] with a ARM64 Linux virtual machine w/ Rosetta (so I can still run x86_64 Linux code!) enabled me to fall in love with my MacBook Pro in this regard. i feel more productive than on a Linux machine now. MacOS is not without its developer power tools, if you dig around enough! [1] https://github.com/lima-vm/lima

For me MacBookPro with M2 chips would be perfect if the 13in model allowed 64GB RAM. My workflow requires me to run Docker (intel images) heavily with several containers. Having a virtualization layer is pretty resource consuming. Usually the Docker + containers I use take around 5GB RAM alone. Under that configuration I've found 32GB to be just within the limit of usability. 16GB are just not enough. Also, for some…

What software are you using that doesn't have ARM versions available? I think it goes without saying that a machine with an ARM processor is not going to be ideal if you're frequently working with x86-specific software.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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In other words, they're absolutely using the Intel machine to bury the lede. Apple is now facing the same struggle as AMD and Intel. They have a generational processor product that relies on new silicon to get faster, and they can't get new silicon fast enough. The M2 was basically just a wattage-bump of the M1, and looking at the performance increase/processor count, I'm inclined to call the Pro/Max the same thing.…

> It's what someone in marketing does. The linked website for this discussion is marketing.

File it under the "botched marketing campaign" folder, then. If you're selling a machine to professionals, the copywriting ought to speak their language.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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There's also a new Mac Mini, which I found A LOT MORE interesting, given that its keyboard or batteries won't break: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/01/apple-introduces-new-...

I was thinking about throwing some last gen parts into an old tower/PSU I have to build a desktop for inlaws since they are stuck on a 10year old hand down laptop. This is a good package at that price (599$) - power consumption is likely nothing, MacOS included in price, small and quiet - will comfortably browse the internet, play videos, etc. for the next 5+ years. I won't be able to repair it out of warranty so tha…

Is this thing actually faster than a cheap Ryzen build for browsing? Like a 5600g that are super cheap now

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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> It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. For people who don't mind an ultra-brittle screen or who don't mind paying an extra 20% Apple tax to get their screen replaced when it breaks. Had a M1 Mac. Screen broke overnight. Meanwhile my LG Gram feels way more sturdy and hasn't let me down in years. M1 Mac lasted about 13 months. Not happy at all with Apple asking 680 EUR to r…

For what it's worth my Macbook Retina has survived mostly unscathed since 2012 with heavy daily use. Two battery replacements, fraying charging cables and some worn out key faces, that's about it. Then again, I'm sure later MacBooks might be less sturdy?

I’ve probably the same model as you - and yeah, apart from two battery swaps and a new power brick, and the occasional fur removal (cats), it’s a trooper. I’ve dropped it plenty, so it has aerodynamic corners, but it has never let me down. Battery swaps are far easier than ifixit etc. describe - I just used fishing line and a couple of sticks as handles to cut through the glue without having to remove anything but the bottom case.

That said, I have heard frequent gripes from people with newer models about things like hinges, ports coming loose, and keyboards failing - I mean, from my experience with their software quality over the years, I wouldn’t be surprised if their hardware design, while having plenty of great new tech, lacks attention to detail.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Pro, Max, Ultra, any combination of these. I can't understand any of these. Not that it means anything more than an artificial fragmentation to bring in more upsell opportunities. Looks like 90s Apple again, at least from this point of view. I understand the old (simple and brilliant) four-quadrant is not going to fit anymore, but this is just the opposite extreme.

It’s not that complicated. Good, better, best.

You can customize any of these with the specs you need on their website.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Pro, Max, Ultra, any combination of these. I can't understand any of these. Not that it means anything more than an artificial fragmentation to bring in more upsell opportunities. Looks like 90s Apple again, at least from this point of view. I understand the old (simple and brilliant) four-quadrant is not going to fit anymore, but this is just the opposite extreme.

Really? There's 4 processors and 2 generations, it's not that hard. Compare to intel: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/details/pro...

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

Yup. Software is why I am on Linux on a thinkpad. It’s fast enough. And I control everything.
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