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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by wrldos »

shishy wrote: post #59
wrldos wrote: post #2

Pricing has gone crazy here in the UK. Paid £1899 for my M1 Pro. Same spec M2 Pro is £2199. Edit: at this rate when my previous gen one expires I'm going to think seriously about shifting back to ThinkPads...

I do get sticker shock at the prices, but I have to say I still use my 2015 MBP for dev work and it's been serving me well. That's quite the longevity... I'd hope if I got an M2 (thinking about upgrading in a year or two), that it lasts a similar duration. ~8 years, I wouldn't mind shelling out that price, especially since it pays me back so quickly (some consulting work). Have to check to see how reliable those thin…

I ran thinkpads for years. There is a nice market for previous generation ones new in box with 3 year next business day warranties for stupid money. I got my daughter a 13 month old T495s for £600 for example. That’s still under warranty now.

But yeah I’ll bitch and moan and just give apple the money like I always do now n

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by [deleted] »

singhrac wrote: post #85
jchw wrote: post #34

It's worrying that they are shying away from specifying generational improvements or at least comparing to it's competitors. The "fastest Intel MacBook" is not really the competitor for an M2 MacBook Pro, it's a predecessor. But I'd rather hear about generational improvements from M1, especially because both Intel and AMD seem to be making great strides in the low power space lately.

Honestly, I think this is also partly them patting themselves (or their silicon team) on the back for a job well done. And as everyone else has said, their competitor is the fastest Intel/AMD chips if they're trying to win market share.

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Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by optymizer »

dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me.

The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura:

* Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset.

* On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset.

* I left the laptop plugged in for 12 hours, connected to 2 other displays over USBC. Laptop screen didnt turn on, other monitors did. Unplugged monitors, mashed keys on keyboard, replugged, laptop screen was still off. Hard reset.

I give Apple lots of credit for switching to ARM, but the last time I had this many issues that required a hard reset because the OS became unusable was Windows ME.

I used to praise macOS for its stability. It's still on average very stable, but in the last ~5 years the upgrade experience has not been rock solid anymore. I must have used at least a dozen Macbook Pro/Air and Mac Pro in that time, so I know it's not just 1 buggy laptop.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by smoldesu »

mfer wrote: post #115
smoldesu wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me: - No nagware (no Apple Music pop-ups, advertisements for safari, login nag in settings, et. al) - Built-in package manager - Having (relative) parity between production and development Between those three, you probably couldn't pay me to go back to MacOS. Adding my own package manager, disabling ads and making my Mac into a Linux-equivalent machine is possible, but it's a lot of work to maintain and set up. I…

I have an M1 Pro MBP and Linux running on a Framework laptop. The Linux built in package manager is only ok. It often lags behind in versions of things I need. I ended up using Homebrew on both Mac and Linux. For the cases the Linux built-in package manager is too out of date I use Homebrew. It's not perfect on either system. > - Having (relative) parity between production and development For certain classes of devel…

I have a 13" Macbook Pro and a Thinkpad model I forget the name of.

Homebrew is down-right bad. There are certainly worse Linux package managers (pacman... looking at you), but if you're using MacOS I'd highly recommend giving Nix a try. Less muss-and-fuss, and stopped me from sending my Macbook on a swim in the local river.

> For my container work it doesn't really matter.

That's fine, it doesn't really for me either. The nice part (for me) is the native Docker and fantastic filesystem support. Whereas MacOS feels like a product I'm turning into a tool, Linux systems tend to feel like a tool out-of-box. Different strokes for different folks though, it really just depends on what you want out of a computer.

> I must have learned to ignore this

I must have learned to appreciate living without it, then. It's pretty jarring returning to a monetized OS like Windows 11 or Monterey for me.

> a lot of business software I must use for work isn't available on Linux

Oh yeah, for sure. Like I said in my previous comment, I wouldn't use Linux if I was a lawyer or a video editor. That being said though, pretty much everything I've used in the modern enterprise is browser-based. You don't need a native Jira app or a custom .DMG to run git. Arguably, everything you need is shipped right with most Linux distros.

I won't (and haven't) argued that Linux is perfect, but MacOS is converging with the Windows and Google school of desktop design. It worries me, and it's part of why I left MacOS in the first place. Photoshop is nice, but living on a computer that feels like a rented hotel room isn't very satisfying to me. Again, different strokes.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by kube-system »

dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

I’ve never had an issue with a 20w Anker Nano charging my non-pro M1. Feels like the future charging my laptop with an adapter the size of an iPhone charger.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by StreamBright »

goosedragons wrote: post #75
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

They aren't though. The fact that they are ridiculously comparing performance to the 3 year old at this point final Intel MacBook (which was a dog turd) in their press release with some very cherry picked benchmarks suggests things aren't quite as good as they could be. Why are they talking about 3+ old parts and not the current competition?

I am not sure if most people buying MBPs are interested in the synthetic benchmark performance as much as they are interested in energy efficiency and vertical integrations.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by dbeley »

sem000 wrote: post #62
gnufied wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have both a latest generation Thinkpad P1 Gen5 and Macbook Pro 16 inch M1 pro and while it is true that Macbook comes pretty close to being a perfect laptop, I still miss the productivity of a Linux laptop (for backend dev work). From what hardware POV you are correct, I wish though Apple would adopt Carbon Magnesium chasis that thinkpad uses. For same 16inch size, Thinkpad is noticeably lighter. I can happy lug my…

What is your Linux laptop giving you that your MBP doesn’t? And how does it hurt your productivity? Genuinely curious as I don’t see how it can be any different.

Thinkpads will always have better keyboards, better connectivity and the trackpoint for them.

Re: MacBook Pro featuring M2 Pro and M2 Max

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Post by throwawaylinux »

csdvrx wrote: post #56

That's when I realize how much my weird hardware preferences set me apart: I mostly care about an OLED screen and ECC ram. Then, a touchscreen supporting pen entry, and a good keyboard (with the edit keys like home/insert/pageup/pagedown directly accessible, bonus is there's also printscreen) especially if it's not a foldable or a tablet. Apple's got good CPU and battery life, but unless the core features are present…

What laptop do you use?
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