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Project Mage is an effort to build a power-user environment in Common Lisp

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Re: Project Mage is an effort to build a power-user environment in Common Lisp

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Hi! I am the author of the project. There's a discussion on Emacs is Not Enough that has been taking place today here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34375137 The Emacs is Not Enough is quite ranty, and its style is not to some people's taste (well, it is kind of a rant, after all). If you want the meat, indeed, please see any other articles on the homepage, or, for an overview of the project, this: https://pro…

I haven't finished reading everything but so far I like what I read. In a way, it reminds me of the software research project STEPS which aimed to reinvent computing with much less code than normal software. I consider this project a failure not because its funding got cut before the end but because nobody managed to reproduce their achievements (non reproducible research isn't research). I wish you more success!

> non reproducible research isn't research

Toxic mindset, so committed to this particular shibboleth!

Re: Project Mage is an effort to build a power-user environment in Common Lisp

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post #12

I feel like your campaign would benefit from explaining a little bit about who you are, what you've written before, and why we should believe you can actually accomplish this (understandably big project). People like to feel like they're paying a person, not an idea...

The other way around is more meritocratic (avoid cult of personality or credentialism). Yeah good if it includes portfolio etc

Re: Project Mage is an effort to build a power-user environment in Common Lisp

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Could all this be done in a smalltalk environment like squeak? I was wondering because I am modestly proficient in ObjC

Absolutely, it's image-based. I have considered Smalltalk, but I like macros a bit too much. I am pretty sure CL code will have better performance too, but don't quote me on this. A point worth making: if I were to do it in Smalltalk, I would choose the standardized one, as the most stable one. Stability is pretty important for a project like this, as you would imagine.

Re: Project Mage is an effort to build a power-user environment in Common Lisp

#36
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't finished reading everything but so far I like what I read. In a way, it reminds me of the software research project STEPS which aimed to reinvent computing with much less code than normal software. I consider this project a failure not because its funding got cut before the end but because nobody managed to reproduce their achievements (non reproducible research isn't research). I wish you more success!

> non reproducible research isn't research Toxic mindset, so committed to this particular shibboleth!

Well, we're not talking about multibillion dollars particule accelerators research here but about software research!

Re: Project Mage is an effort to build a power-user environment in Common Lisp

#37

Could all this be done in a smalltalk environment like squeak? I was wondering because I am modestly proficient in ObjC

Absolutely, it's image-based. I have considered Smalltalk, but I like macros a bit too much. I am pretty sure CL code will have better performance too, but don't quote me on this. A point worth making: if I were to do it in Smalltalk, I would choose the standardized one, as the most stable one. Stability is pretty important for a project like this, as you would imagine.

I think you mean you like emacs but got hit by autocorrect. I think the key is to duplicate a mid nineties office suit that is hackable with a programmers IDE thrown in. Something like AppleWorks or MS Works with a database that is universal across all the documents in the suite with structures that allow reuse

Re: Project Mage is an effort to build a power-user environment in Common Lisp

#38
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't finished reading everything but so far I like what I read. In a way, it reminds me of the software research project STEPS which aimed to reinvent computing with much less code than normal software. I consider this project a failure not because its funding got cut before the end but because nobody managed to reproduce their achievements (non reproducible research isn't research). I wish you more success!

> non reproducible research isn't research Toxic mindset, so committed to this particular shibboleth!

When is that not true?

Re: Project Mage is an effort to build a power-user environment in Common Lisp

#39
post #28

Hi! I am the author of the project. There's a discussion on Emacs is Not Enough that has been taking place today here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34375137 The Emacs is Not Enough is quite ranty, and its style is not to some people's taste (well, it is kind of a rant, after all). If you want the meat, indeed, please see any other articles on the homepage, or, for an overview of the project, this: https://pro…

Isn't It Obvious That C Programmers Wrote Git also a bit ranty. It was never made clear how Mage would make what-git-does better. And isn't it obvious that C Programmers also wrote unix, kernels and userspaces?

The way I read this is you write that assuming the reader cherishes unix, kernels and userspaces as opposed to integrated live lisp environments assuming the role of unix, kernels and userspaces, yet without C. Now try looking at the world as someone who does not cherish unix, kernels, userspaces and C programmers' view of the world...

[note: I do cherish unix, kernels and userspaces; AND lisp. Oh and C...]

Re: Project Mage is an effort to build a power-user environment in Common Lisp

#40

I can't edit the top post, as it was posted a few days back, and the thread has resurfaced. Currently, I am preparing an "elevator pitch" (as a few people have suggested me do), and I hope to publish it in a few hours. So, if the "Power of Structure" article is too long to consume and you just want to get the central idea, there will be such a summary soon. Also: the project needs funding. I will work on it regardles…

your elevator pitch still assumes quite a slow elevator doing quite a long ride...
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