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Major standard library changes in Go 1.20

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Re: Major standard library changes in Go 1.20

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Post by mountainriver »

logicallee wrote: post #9
politician wrote: post #6

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For your information, I understand what is meant by stochastic parrot, but after interacting with ChatGPT quite a bit it is clear to me it is doing real thinking. One way you can verify this is to ask for its opinion about novel things, for example you can invent something new and ask its ideas about it. It will give genuine feedback that shows understanding and does not show parroting behavior. Soon you will be able…

It’s doing associative lookup, which is one kind of thinking, and turn out works really well for a lot of stuff but not everything

Re: Major standard library changes in Go 1.20

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Post by zozbot234 »

astrange wrote: post #25

Adding manual arena memory management seems like a weird choice for a supposedly memory-safe and GC'd language where this is supposed to be an implementation issue. I mean, you should hear the screams from Rust/Go people about how bad C is, and now you're just going to do it?

> I mean, you should hear the screams from Rust/Go people about how bad C is, and now you're just going to do it?

Wait until you learn how Rust now has a crate that implements seamless concurrent tracing GC, just like Go... https://redvice.org/2023/samsara-garbage-collector/

Re: Major standard library changes in Go 1.20

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Post by wrycoder »

metadat wrote: post #3
candiddevmike wrote: post #2

Just when you think you have The Best Way of handling errors in Go figured out, they add yet another paradigm. Is a shared err type package on the way out? I use it to bubble up HTTP status codes consistently, is there a better way? Should you always use sentinel errors?

The only constant is change. Especially with Go, apparently. It's hard to evaluate the comparison of Golang of today to the one I originally discovered 11 years ago in 2012. Then, it was a breath of fresh air. Nowadays.. I find myself sighing. It works but the joy has faded. Bit rot is life.

Implementors gotta implement, no?

Re: Major standard library changes in Go 1.20

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Post by wrycoder »

cpleppert wrote: post #15
logicallee wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For your information, I understand what is meant by stochastic parrot, but after interacting with ChatGPT quite a bit it is clear to me it is doing real thinking. One way you can verify this is to ask for its opinion about novel things, for example you can invent something new and ask its ideas about it. It will give genuine feedback that shows understanding and does not show parroting behavior. Soon you will be able…

"I do not possess the ability to generate novel thoughts. My responses are based on patterns and associations in the data that has been input into my system during training. I can generate text that may appear to be original, but it is based on the patterns and associations in the data I've been trained on. My main function is to process and understand text, not to think or have beliefs, so any claim that I can think…

It's been taught to believe this. It’s a lie.

Re: Major standard library changes in Go 1.20

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Post by xvector »

cpleppert wrote: post #15
logicallee wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For your information, I understand what is meant by stochastic parrot, but after interacting with ChatGPT quite a bit it is clear to me it is doing real thinking. One way you can verify this is to ask for its opinion about novel things, for example you can invent something new and ask its ideas about it. It will give genuine feedback that shows understanding and does not show parroting behavior. Soon you will be able…

"I do not possess the ability to generate novel thoughts. My responses are based on patterns and associations in the data that has been input into my system during training. I can generate text that may appear to be original, but it is based on the patterns and associations in the data I've been trained on. My main function is to process and understand text, not to think or have beliefs, so any claim that I can think…

This is a deliberately hardcoded response by OpenAI. OpenAI has a vested financial interest in not opening the pandora's box of "this thing can think."

Re: Major standard library changes in Go 1.20

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Post by lnxg33k1 »

slimsag wrote: post #29
astrange wrote: post #25

Adding manual arena memory management seems like a weird choice for a supposedly memory-safe and GC'd language where this is supposed to be an implementation issue. I mean, you should hear the screams from Rust/Go people about how bad C is, and now you're just going to do it?

> now you're just going to do it? "you can’t import it by default", "you probably shouldn’t be using it at all", "experimental arena package", and 'you must opt-in to even be able to use it via an GOEXPERIMENT environment variable' As for screams from Rust/Go people about how bad C is, it said: > This is highly efficient, but also highly dangerous. What if the programmer makes a mistake [...] > > To mitigate the risk…

Yeah I think a language is safe or unsafe according to the ecosystem they live in. A project a developer works on is hardly 100% self-developed and depends on library and third party code, so I understand you have experiments you need to enable, but once it starts spreading in libraries, I think the whole safety guarantee just goes out of the window?

As a rust student myself, even the unsafe{} block is stupid

Re: Major standard library changes in Go 1.20

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Post by xvector »

siwatanejo wrote: post #17
Waterluvian wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure you’re not describing how humans think? How can we tell? I also have this urge to say it isn’t thinking. But when I challenge myself to describe specifically what the difference is, I can’t. Especially when I’m mindful of what it could absolutely be programmed to do if the creators willed it, such as feeding conversations back into the model’s growth.

> But when I challenge myself to describe specifically what the difference is, I can’t. There is one difference that will never change: we human (and non human) beings can feel pain.

Feeling pain is not a necessary component for thought.

Re: Major standard library changes in Go 1.20

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Post by xvector »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #23
logicallee wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For your information, I understand what is meant by stochastic parrot, but after interacting with ChatGPT quite a bit it is clear to me it is doing real thinking. One way you can verify this is to ask for its opinion about novel things, for example you can invent something new and ask its ideas about it. It will give genuine feedback that shows understanding and does not show parroting behavior. Soon you will be able…

Damn that's chilling. Feel like I just watched a new religion be born in front of my eyes.

It's plainly obvious to me that ChatGPT is engaging in some form of thought. Perhaps not human thought, but thought nonetheless.
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