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Post by gumby »

robbomacrae wrote: post #46

Having worked at Apple I feel like this is a mortal risk they are taking. The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone, except they require an iPhone to use it. So instead of taking a short term hit and moving with the times they greedily hold on to their money maker and risk a competitor bringing out a standalone version and tanking the entire thing. Likewise the Apple TV is a great produ…

The iphone started out as a dependent of a computer (mac only at first? I don't remember). There are a number of settings on the watch that can be modified on the watch, but originally could be modified only on the phone.

You can set up a watch for a family member who doesn't have a phone, but you do have to do that from your iphone.

Not that I have any thoughts on where Apple might go with this; this is just FYI.

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Post by simondotau »

AlbertCory wrote: post #161

Details: I own a Mac & no other Apple devices. My TV is an LG. I have the Apple streaming service on the TV, purely because they have some pretty good shows (Ted Lasso, Separation, Acapulco). Is there something an Apple TV device would do for me? I'm not seeing it.

The Apple TV has a nice interface, has up-to-date apps for all services, will continue to be updated for years, has various apps that might be useful to you, and can even do fairly impressive casual gaming.

If your LG interface is not irritating you and has all the software support you need, then no.

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Post by fbdab103 »

542458 wrote: post #202
fbdab103 wrote: post #179

Related - is there a way I can download pictures from an Iphone to a Linux computer locally? Not interested in using any form of cloud intermediary. Evidently, if I plug a cable from an Iphone into a computer, enter my password, this still represents a threat if it is not overseen by iTunes. The device is in my hand, connected to the intended destination, and it is non-trivial to retrieve my data. Just absurd behavio…

Strange - you can connect an iPhone directly to a windows computer with no iTunes around. I wonder why that doesn’t work on Linux. In any case, I think there are apps around that make the iPhone serve a web interface to your files on your local network. Would that work? No cloud intermediary involved.

I did see posts that there were applications which might function as the local webserver route. Lacking any alternatives, that is the option I am likely to pursue, but I hate installing additional applications. Especially if the only purpose is to workaround a deliberate Apple-knows-best decision. Which ultimately leaves me less secure than if Apple provided a first-party solution for local file transfer.

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Post by mark_l_watson »

On my Chromebook, I log into iCloud.com to access email and access account settings.

Perhaps logging in on a browser could setup an Apple TV or Apple Watch?

I think that the Apple Watch is the most exciting Apple product ever, including the serial number 71 Apple II I got in the late 1970s.

As many other people here have said, Apple needs to fix this problem.

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Post by fortran77 »

rgovostes wrote: post #207
kitsunesoba wrote: post #78

To me this feels like a shortcut taken by the tvOS team more than a push for the user to own more Apple devices. What I'm guessing has happened is that that there's probably no standardized dialog in the tvOS SDK that is suited to a scrolling ToS/EULA screen and in the interest of pushing a release out the door faster an engineer was told to shove this message in an alert and call it a day. It's bad and should be fix…

This is almost certainly the correct answer. It might also be a generic dialog populated with a server-provided message. Apple TV definitely is not intended to require that you own another Apple device. Even the Apple TV+ subscription service is supported on other platforms like Roku ( https://www.roku.com/blog/apple-tv ). Apple has never required that you run the latest iOS to use iCloud (see minimum requirements on…

Except that he tried it and it didn’t work. There was no message to accept the TOS.

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Post by patmcc »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #78

To me this feels like a shortcut taken by the tvOS team more than a push for the user to own more Apple devices. What I'm guessing has happened is that that there's probably no standardized dialog in the tvOS SDK that is suited to a scrolling ToS/EULA screen and in the interest of pushing a release out the door faster an engineer was told to shove this message in an alert and call it a day. It's bad and should be fix…

Even if the Apple TV can't handle the TOS for some reason there's no reason it shouldn't be possible on any device with a browser rather than something with iOS or iPadOS. That's the part that's really ridiculous.

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Post by mark_l_watson »

tzs wrote: post #208
robbomacrae wrote: post #46

Having worked at Apple I feel like this is a mortal risk they are taking. The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone, except they require an iPhone to use it. So instead of taking a short term hit and moving with the times they greedily hold on to their money maker and risk a competitor bringing out a standalone version and tanking the entire thing. Likewise the Apple TV is a great produ…

Often the key to success is to not try to do too much. That was one of the big reasons the PDA market was dominated by Palm Pilot. Earlier PDAs like the Sharp Wizard and the Casio BOSS tried to do too much. They wanted you to be able to fully maintain your calendar and contacts and todo lists and notes on them. But with their little keyboards, slow processors, and limited displays they weren't very good at doing a lo…

Except, the Apple Watch with its own cellular data plan is a standalone device, sending and receiving phone calls, emails, and texts. I like to leave my iPhone at home when I leave my house if I don’t need a camera.

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

londons_explore wrote: post #172
makeitdouble wrote: post #31

It's interesting how the responses basically split into two camps: - the "just buy an iPhone" and "you've brought it on you, what did you expect" camp - the "Apple fix this" camp At the point I'm reading this, the first camp represents the vast majority of the responses. That's interesting regarding Apple's ongoing lawsuits and regulaory pressure. For most people Apple domination and dictating the rules is basically…

> Apple's forced to open its ecosystem I can almost guarantee this won't happen. Apple will do everything possible to stick to the wording of any laws and regulations, while making the actual process as complex as possible. "I'm afraid to pair with an android phone, you need to take your Apple TV into an Apple Store, where they can generate a pairing code, which will then be valid until the next update before requiri…

Won't work in the EU. They have principles-based regulation over there rather than the US's rules-based regulation.

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Post by tommoor »

robbomacrae wrote: post #46

Having worked at Apple I feel like this is a mortal risk they are taking. The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone, except they require an iPhone to use it. So instead of taking a short term hit and moving with the times they greedily hold on to their money maker and risk a competitor bringing out a standalone version and tanking the entire thing. Likewise the Apple TV is a great produ…

To be fair Google is doing the exact same thing, I was interested in their new Pixel Watch but it requires an Android device to use..

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Post by mihaaly »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #162
V__ wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gifted an Apple Watch this Christmas. I checked their site and saw that an iPhone was needed, but somehow thought any up-to-date iOS device would work. Since you can set up the watch for a family member (who doesn't have an iPhone) it has to work, right? Got the newest iPad? F*k you, buy and iPhone. That was a disappointing gift, I can tell you that. There is absolutely no reason to impose such a limit. I don't und…

I don't like this mandatory tie between the two Apple product lines any more than you do, but as an FYI nit on terminology: > somehow thought any up-to-date iOS device would work. [...] Got the newest iPad? iOS 12 was the last version of iOS where that name applied to iPad as well as iPhone. Starting with version 13, the version of the operating system for iPhone had been the only one called iOS, with the iPad OS cal…

I belive everyone entering an Apple store should complete a test on their insight into Apple nomenclature and product history. Those who fail should f*ck off!
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