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Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Post by MBCook »

makeitdouble wrote: post #31

It's interesting how the responses basically split into two camps: - the "just buy an iPhone" and "you've brought it on you, what did you expect" camp - the "Apple fix this" camp At the point I'm reading this, the first camp represents the vast majority of the responses. That's interesting regarding Apple's ongoing lawsuits and regulaory pressure. For most people Apple domination and dictating the rules is basically…

So I was going to reply and suggest “what did you expect? Apple lists an iPhone or iPad as a requirement.”

You know what? They don’t! I couldn’t find it.

If Apple wants to do this, fine. Mark it as a requirement. If they want anyone to be able to use it, they need to fix this.

Seems like they’ve got a foot in each side right now.

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Post by [deleted] »

mik1998 wrote: post #58
mklepaczewski wrote: post #35

Last time I checked a parent needed their own Apple device to set up app limits, downtime, accept/reject app installation requests on child's device. Thanks Apple. Now I have an option to give my kid unrestricted access to their device and to the whole Internet, or buy another IPhone just because my child uses Apple product.

Why would you buy your child an iphone if you don't have one?

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Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Post by tarotuser »

How does this not violate the Sherman Antitrust act under illegal tying of services and goods?

> (From Wikipedia) Success on a tying claim typically requires proof of four elements:

(1) two separate products or services are involved; (AppleTV and other Apple phone/iPad, as demanded by the tied product in question)

(2) the purchase of the tying product is conditioned on the additional purchase of the tied product; (Yes, and forced only after using said hardware for its claimed fitness of playing shows)

(3) the seller has sufficient market power in the market for the tying product; (QED)

(4) a not insubstantial amount of interstate commerce in the tied product market is affected. (again, QED)

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tying_(commerce)

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Post by davidmurdoch »

amiga-workbench wrote: post #55
srott2 wrote: post #39

Similar to the Chromecast, I was trying to set one up. https://support.google.com/chromecast/answer/2998456 "Download the Google Home app on your Chromecast-supported Android device."

You used to be able to set them up from the Chrome browser, back when Chromecast support was implemented via a browser extension and not baked in. They completely gutted Chromecast support in Chrome quite a while ago, you can't even adjust the playback volume from your computer any more.

I wonder if they had to gut it due to the Sonos suit.

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Post by TheCleric »

mik1998 wrote: post #58
mklepaczewski wrote: post #35

Last time I checked a parent needed their own Apple device to set up app limits, downtime, accept/reject app installation requests on child's device. Thanks Apple. Now I have an option to give my kid unrestricted access to their device and to the whole Internet, or buy another IPhone just because my child uses Apple product.

Why would you buy your child an iphone if you don't have one?

Having tried both, the parental controls on the iPhone are much better.

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Post by HollowEyes »

I just wanted to get Apple music going, and had to jump through hoops. In the end I added an iCloud account to the macmini, and now whenever I go to use Apple music/access my apple account on another device, I have some ridiculous process of having to authenticate via the Mac mini. I also have a phone number registered, but it appears to count for nowt.

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Post by Bud »

robbomacrae wrote: post #46

Having worked at Apple I feel like this is a mortal risk they are taking. The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone, except they require an iPhone to use it. So instead of taking a short term hit and moving with the times they greedily hold on to their money maker and risk a competitor bringing out a standalone version and tanking the entire thing. Likewise the Apple TV is a great produ…

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Re: Apple TV prompt requires another Apple device

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Post by kitsunesoba »

To me this feels like a shortcut taken by the tvOS team more than a push for the user to own more Apple devices.

What I'm guessing has happened is that that there's probably no standardized dialog in the tvOS SDK that is suited to a scrolling ToS/EULA screen and in the interest of pushing a release out the door faster an engineer was told to shove this message in an alert and call it a day.

It's bad and should be fixed either way.

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Post by yamtaddle »

robbomacrae wrote: post #46

Having worked at Apple I feel like this is a mortal risk they are taking. The Apple Watch could be the next big thing that replaces the smartphone, except they require an iPhone to use it. So instead of taking a short term hit and moving with the times they greedily hold on to their money maker and risk a competitor bringing out a standalone version and tanking the entire thing. Likewise the Apple TV is a great produ…

Nothing's replacing the Smartphone unless it's got a camera in the same ballpark of quality and usability. Several use cases for a smartphone—including a couple major ones—don't really work with a watch, mostly for camera-related reasons. If it's not good as a camera, it's also not good as a scanner replacement, not good for remote check deposit, not good for things like the Measure app (or any other AR stuff), and so on.

For a while I thought I'd go all-watch if they ever released a standalone watch, but paying more attention to how I use my phone, there's just no way. I'd just have to buy a separate camera, then I'd have two things to carry, plus it'd be much worse (since it's not like standalone cameras tend to have e.g. built-in text recognition). I think that's likely true for most people.

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