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Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

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Re: Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

#61
I feel burned out from my job all of the time. Believe it or not, the best way for me to zone work out is to work.. on my own stuff.

If you feel like you're stuck at worth, it's pretty therapeutic to feel productive on things outside of work. For me, that's been side projects, my blog, ice hockey, running, and my family.

There was a point in my life where I really seriously considered quitting everything and just traveling southeast asia for a while. But there's this saying, "wherever you go, there you are". A lot of the issues in my case where actually intrinsic and not related to my environment. I did travel around a bit, but it was actually just super lonely and isolating. All of these cool things to see, nobody to share the view with.

Ultimately it's better to just work with what you've got and set up roots, start growing them. If your job root isn't growing, that's fine, work on the other ones.

Re: Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

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well there is no need to immediately resign the employers behaviour here is offensive to any persons sensibilities and I think everyone reading this would be of the same mind to moving on as soon as possible. The way to do this is of course start talking with other employers, there is no reason why you couldn't rustle up some more suitable opportunities whilst you continue in post with this employer. Go only when you…

That's sensible advice for sure. At the same time, I feel like I can't apply myself anymore, and I hate to half-ass the work I do (I'm sure a lot of folks here will understand this).

I would highly encourage you to do a little interviewing, just to get past the anxiety. Try interviewing for things you aren't very interested in. It makes it much less stressful, and it gives you a sense that you aren't trapped. I went through a similar thing myself a few months back, and just doing some interviewing actually made doing my current job easier. In the end I had some frank conversations with my manager and was able to salvage my current position, but the interviewing really facilitated that. The important thing though, is you really should not stay at your current job as it is. Aside from it making you unhappy, you're doing damage to your resume. Being under-titled doesn't look good to potential future employers.

Re: Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

#63

If you quit today, expect this to be your last technical position. You will not find another job this year. I know incredible engineers with great experience, well known engineers, who have been unemployed 50% of the time or more during Covid. It's no longer a seller's market, it's a buyer's market. If you do find a new job, it will take you a long time, and you will take a lower salary than you have now.

For FAANG jobs, yes. For non-FAANG, it sounds like there's still a good amount of demand, especially for senior-level. Regardless they shouldn't just quit without having another job lined up, and you have to be a bit more careful with your choice of company (maybe choose one that already jumped at the chance to do its "well everyone is laying off 10% of their staff, we should too even though we're still making record…

This is definitely happening. After 6 glowing interviews, I was expecting an offer two weeks ago from a startup. small company, profitable, growing quickly, only 100 employees, just closed a $70m funding round. While waiting for the "final" interview, I noticed the 40 jobs on their website disappeared. Finally heard from them 10 minutes after the interview was supposed to start, to tell me they had decided to halt hiring and "rightsize" their (skeleton) staff.

Re: Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

#64
I'm a software developer with 20+ years of experience. I've been working at my current company for at least a few years. I recently found out that some of my colleagues that have been here for less time than I have, who have less experience than I do, got promoted ahead of me. Like you I also get good reviews during review time.

I feel like I should be upset about this. After all, I do value recognition, and would like to see my work validated among my peers. However it would seem that skill and effort are not required to be promoted at my current company. And from experience this is a general truth: there will always be biases, social structures, etc to overcome.

I am not entirely upset by it. I am already paid a lot of money and I'm not left wanting in life. I have few responsibilities at work which is great because I have lot at home (unlike you I do have dependents, a spouse, a mortgage, etc). A promotion would mean more responsibility and pressure along with the higher pay. And that's not going to make the work any more interesting or challenging in the ways I find satisfying.

What would improve my life is having interesting work to do. Most of what I work on is extremely boring enterprise business-ware. I've given up being ambitious and working on interesting, challenging work because I'm more concerned and interested in my family and our well-being and my hobbies than I am in trying to change the world or prove anything.

If, one day, this company does manage to exit and my options turn out to be valuable and I make a bunch of F-U money then it won't matter anyway. That's when I can loosen the collar and sit back and do my own thing.

So my advice is: don't evaluate your life based on your job and its social hierarchies. Promotions, titles, etc are almost always bullshit in tech. Instead look at what you have and try to think about what it is that you need, what expectations are being missed and make a move that will improve the quality of your life.

If you have enough money to survive for six months with a tight budget maybe you're in the right place to start your own company?

Maybe you can take time off to dedicate time to a side project you find fulfilling?

On the flip side, maybe starting a new hobby is the way to go and just clock in/out at work. Chasing promotions is hard work and perhaps the benefits are not that valuable to you.

Re: Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

#65

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Nice! The second best moment of my life was the first time I finished a century. What was your time?

My best time ever was with a large group of folks on a route with about 5000ft of elevation gain, and we did it in just under 5 hours. By myself much closer to 6 hours of ride time plus breaks. Doing a century is awesome, and then everyone says a double century is the same, just longer. I want to keep going and see how far I can go. I would much rather do this than learn a new programming language every year. What ar…

My first century was 4500 ft of elevation gain in Normal. I came in 2nd to last after an 85 year old woman who did a century every year on her birthday! I was 300lbs at that point, so it was quite an accomplishment I'm an 8-10 hour rider, but I always finish, and feel helllla good afterwards!

The greatest thing was my father giving me a hug after my first solo flight. He wasn't very affectionate.

Re: Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

#66
"if you have to ask then it's probably time to go"

don't jump until you have something lined up. lot of layoffs happening now and the market is is reasonably saturated, plus finding a job often takes longer than you think.

try to network in person a bunch. linux user groups, python hackers collectives, etc.

Re: Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

#67
> I have some ideas I want to try out and it’s one thing I could get excited about in tech.

Do the minimal amount of what you need to do at work to get your job done and work on a side hustle that gets you excited at night. Limit it to 2 or 3 hours per day but stay consistent. At the same time study the job market and identify opportunities that would work for you then learn the technologies and skills required for those positions and add that as skills on your resume.

Life is too short to not be excited about what you are doing every morning you wake up. But you also have to have an action plan for the future to get out of the status quo.

Re: Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

#68
Quit with a plan. I know the classic knee-jerk advice is to have a job in waiting first, but that may not apply to you. A well-crafted sabbatical can give you a sense of energy, motivation, and purpose.

You might be able to do it from abroad on the cheap. There are plenty of resources that can help you structure your thought and time. Just realize being single and financially secure is an opportunity to explore and discover. These moments in life where you have the freedom and interest to work on yourself aren't all that many. Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

#69
You are resentful because you feel like you got lied to and are continuously being taken advantage of -- and there's nothing anyone can do because of inhuman "processes". You could radically adjust your attitude so you don't feel that way and have gratitude that you're not working in a coal mine, or start interviewing -- probably you should do both, adjust your attitude so your life is less miserable, and start interviewing. But why dwell on senior vs junior, isn't the relevant unit of account $$/year?

If Sunday morning all you can think about is how horrible Monday will be, and it gives you loads of anxiety, then you are burning out and you prolly need to quit -- you'll figure something out.

Re: Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

#70

This sounds like AWS, but probably resembles most large companies. Hire great people down a level, and suddenly you are raising the bar. However, you are also grouping folks with 10+ years doing great work with folks who just got promo'd on their first job out of college. I have not quit. Instead I became a high achiever in other aspects of life. I listen to folks at work talking about programming podcasts and online…

Not AWS, but yes, sadly I expect my employer is not the first one to do this. Sounds like you have a lot going on in the real life, and I have to admit I am a bit jealous now, I def should "get a life" outside of my work identity, something I have struggled to do successfully so far tbh.

With every year, I care less and less about comparing myself with my peers. I reached a level I can have a very comfortable life with and anything after this is gravy. I will work hard and try to level up but I won’t grind or trade any of my personal time for money. Especially with kids, I am very short on time!!
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