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Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

#1
For a while now (a couple of months) I struggle with having any motivation at my programming job. I like the company's profile and have a great team, but: - I was hired at a lower level than I interviewed for. Was going for a senior dev position, having 10 years of professional exp in the area, but apparently was hired for a mid position. I found out about this only 6 months in. - My manager and other people in the management admitted to me I should've been hired as a senior dev. No one till now could explain to me how this happened. - Apparently, the company can't adjust my level, because "the processes won't allow it". - In order to get to the level I was supposed to be hired at, I need two promotions in a row. This will mean I need 1.5-2 years with the company just to get to the senior position (!!!). - I keep getting great reviews in the review cycles (not to brag, just to paint the full picture), but it leads to no actual actions being taken by the company: neither in terms of the levels nor in terms of the compensation. All this feels like a pat on the head. - The title itself is meh, but it has a very tangible effect now: the company is comparing my salary to mid-level devs (usually having half of my experience) and uses this to justify no or minimal salary increases, in spite of the overachiever reviews and the inflation being at almost 20% in my country. - All this leads to me having close to zero motivation and energy left to work here, hence me wasting time by writing this post. - This situation left me with a bad taste in my mouth about the industry in general. I feel really disillusioned right now, even though it's not my first company. It's the first one I am so frustrated with. - Considering the current job market, I am a bit afraid to just quit. I have enough saved up to survive quite a while without a job and have no family to support, but still, feels like a risky move. - At the same time, I really don't have the energy to be jumping through 100 hoops in the interview process once again, at least not for the time being. - It might be a chance to give it a shot as an indie dev, I have some ideas I wanted to try out and it's one thing I could get excited about in tech.

TL;DR I am probably burned out, looking for validation from anonymous people online to make a serious life decision, what could possibly go wrong.

Re: Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

#2
well there is no need to immediately resign

the employers behaviour here is offensive to any persons sensibilities and I think everyone reading this would be of the same mind to moving on as soon as possible. The way to do this is of course start talking with other employers, there is no reason why you couldn't rustle up some more suitable opportunities whilst you continue in post with this employer. Go only when you have found the right opportunity

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#4
post #2

well there is no need to immediately resign the employers behaviour here is offensive to any persons sensibilities and I think everyone reading this would be of the same mind to moving on as soon as possible. The way to do this is of course start talking with other employers, there is no reason why you couldn't rustle up some more suitable opportunities whilst you continue in post with this employer. Go only when you…

yes, this. Start the conversations. Start slow and allow yourself to get excited about another opportunity.

IMO burnout is hard to identify in the moment, but looking back, its clear to see :). Keep your job for now, start the job hunt, and good luck.

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#5
Companies are always finding ways to justify lacks of pay rise. The company I was working for got acquired by a much bigger company with all these complex procedures in place and they intentionally allocated all the acquired employees much lower "career levels" so that they can justify no pay rises by pointing out that we're over-paid for our level. I've got 25-years of experience but am on the same level as new graduate hires. They also know that because I'm a foreigner and do have a family to worry about that I'm not going anywhere in a hurry. The industry is also quite badly ageist. Trying to even get a new job once in your mid-40s can be a challenge.

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#6
Don’t just quit your job without another lined up. Milk the current company for everything you can while finding a new job. They’ll find a way to offer you the position and pay you deserved from the beginning when you put in your 2 weeks. Don’t accept their crap, find a better job, and move on. I do think you’d regret quitting without anything lined up. I’d just twiddle my fingers and do as little as possible at current company.

Re: Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

#7
Especially if you're working remotely, start looking for other positions.

Upgrade your LinkedIn to premium and set it so that only recruiters see you're open for work. With 10+ years of experience you'll have recruiters crawling in your inbox like cockroaches :D

Only quit when you've already signed a contract with the new employer, just be mindful of any notice periods you may have.

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#8
Do you have significant equity vesting? That would be the only reason I would hang on/coast in the current role.

It sounds like this is stressing you out big time and you're very burnt out. How many months of runway do you have if you quit today? I would anticipate 4-6 months of unemployment but it sounds like you're not in North America so it might be different where you are.

Basically my advice is quit immediately, live off savings for at least 3 months and don't think about applying for jobs. Don't even code if you're not enjoying it. Do something else, feel like you're mastering some hobby, and after 3 months start looking for jobs. You'll find you have a lot more mental capacity to deal with interview bullshit and hopefully in the next role you won't burn out as quickly.

Re: Ask HN: Should I quit my job?

#9
Why do you want a senior position? More money? More responsibility? In other words, what do you really want?

Would you be happy with a promotion that came with a meaningless raise? A promotion that had you doing the same thing?

In my experience, titles are absolutely meaningless outside of larger tech companies that have leveling guidelines.

Does your company have a leveling guideline?

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#10
post #6

Don’t just quit your job without another lined up. Milk the current company for everything you can while finding a new job. They’ll find a way to offer you the position and pay you deserved from the beginning when you put in your 2 weeks. Don’t accept their crap, find a better job, and move on. I do think you’d regret quitting without anything lined up. I’d just twiddle my fingers and do as little as possible at curr…

This, get them to pay for training and online courses. Get everything you can out of it.
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