Heat pumps of the 1800s are becoming the technology of the future
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Heat pumps of the 1800s are becoming the technology of the future
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Re: Heat pumps of the 1800s are becoming the technology of the future
#2Just to be pedantic, but not exactly. The typical design in a domestic heating unit, or refrigerator is mechanical. A fluid is pumped and cyclically compressed/expanded. While electric motors are usually used, they can be driven by any source of mechanical energy; driven directly by a combustion engine is not too unusual.
There are also heat pump cycles that can be driven directly with heat. Refrigerators based on that are relatively common here in Canada in areas without reliable grid electricity. Usually a propane or natural gas flame.
Thermoelectric coolers are actual electric heat pumps; directly moving heat across a semiconductor junction. Not very efficient and quite expensive practically. They're used in those USB drink coolers and to cool down lab equipment. Finding a high-efficiency thermoelectric material that works at normal temperatures and pressures is nearly as much of a Holy Grail as finding a high temperature superconductor.
Re: Heat pumps of the 1800s are becoming the technology of the future
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#4When it’s freezing cold outside, it seems crazy that I warm the air of my house and then use electricity to keep the fridge cooler than the air I just heated.
Someone needs to make a standard for moving heat/cool through all appliances in a house…
Re: Heat pumps of the 1800s are becoming the technology of the future
#5Why can’t my whole home participate in this technology? It would seem an ok fit for things like freezers, refrigerators, hot water heaters, etc. When it’s freezing cold outside, it seems crazy that I warm the air of my house and then use electricity to keep the fridge cooler than the air I just heated. Someone needs to make a standard for moving heat/cool through all appliances in a house…
Re: Heat pumps of the 1800s are becoming the technology of the future
#6> heat pumps: electrical devices Just to be pedantic, but not exactly. The typical design in a domestic heating unit, or refrigerator is mechanical. A fluid is pumped and cyclically compressed/expanded. While electric motors are usually used, they can be driven by any source of mechanical energy; driven directly by a combustion engine is not too unusual. There are also heat pump cycles that can be driven directly wit…
Are they two sides of the same problem?
Re: Heat pumps of the 1800s are becoming the technology of the future
#7When will air source heat pumps be ready for service in cold weather climates without gas backup?
Re: Heat pumps of the 1800s are becoming the technology of the future
#8Re: Heat pumps of the 1800s are becoming the technology of the future
#9> heat pumps: electrical devices Just to be pedantic, but not exactly. The typical design in a domestic heating unit, or refrigerator is mechanical. A fluid is pumped and cyclically compressed/expanded. While electric motors are usually used, they can be driven by any source of mechanical energy; driven directly by a combustion engine is not too unusual. There are also heat pump cycles that can be driven directly wit…
Re: Heat pumps of the 1800s are becoming the technology of the future
#10Why can’t my whole home participate in this technology? It would seem an ok fit for things like freezers, refrigerators, hot water heaters, etc. When it’s freezing cold outside, it seems crazy that I warm the air of my house and then use electricity to keep the fridge cooler than the air I just heated. Someone needs to make a standard for moving heat/cool through all appliances in a house…
The fridge is simply moving a little of the warmth in your room out of its box, and adding a little more warmth to the room in the process. You lose no heat from the room, which is what matters, really. It would be worse to dump the heat outside! At least in winter. The heat has to be removed in summer if you have air conditioning.
In any case, an exterior heat exchanger and heat pump that can handle a wide exterior temperature is much more heavy duty. This could all end up being less efficient, in practice. House-scale heat pumps can efficiently move heat even from a freezing cold outside into a warm interior. Just as fridges can efficiently move heat from their cold interiors to a warm room.