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Re: The Shit Show

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Post by soheil »

ArmandGrillet wrote: post #71

Well-written and touching post. To switch off this API used by so many long-time users on the same day "For You" appears as the default option on Twitter triggers me. The "For You" timeline is only for Elon: it will drive engagement, extremism, and all the things social networks have been accused of driving for years now in order to make more $. Some folks here have been comparing the crypto/Web3 and ActivityPub craz…

> Well-written

Really? So if you go on a rampage of profanities and spew never ending hate and be as ugly and rude as possible that's praiseworthy?

> "For You" appears as the default option

No, it had been the default for several years now and every time you disabled it, it would mysteriously re-enable itself after a while.

> The "For You" timeline is only for Elon

No, he even complained about this feature, shadow-banning, censoring, and basically brain washing the masses among other things, before he bought Twitter.

> Mastodon is not great right now

No, because it will never be great. We discussed de-federation when I was at Twitter in the early days. It was clear an archipelago of decentralized servers can never generate momentum to drive enough revenue to get the wheel of acceleration spinning fast enough.

It was true then and it is true now, no matter how many hipster wanna be crypto bros who work on m7n tell you otherwise.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by dragonwriter »

paulcole wrote: post #141
geerlingguy wrote: post #28

I'm still waiting to hear any kind of official word, but it looks pretty bleak. Without Tweetbot, Twitter is almost impossible to use. Checking in on https://tweetdeck.twitter.com/ , the alternate UI, it's almost usable, but still missing like 8 of the most important features that made Twitter useful to me. I have been posting sometimes on Mastodon but still primarily on Twitter, waiting to see how things turned out.…

> Without Tweetbot, Twitter is almost impossible to use In what way? Don’t probably 99% of people who use Twitter not use Tweetbot (including myself)? I use the browser and/or the iPad app and don’t find anything unusable about it. What am I missing in my ignorant bliss?

> Don’t probably 99% of people who use Twitter not use Tweetbot (including myself)?

My understanding is that the significant accounts tend not to use the official apps / web interface, one of the biggest reasons being so that they can track accounts for reading purposes without providing what the algorithm treats as a positive endorsement of them, and so that they can use the signal boosting effect of “following” selectively and separately.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by mjmsmith »

bobleeswagger wrote: post #13
gnarbarian wrote: post #8

He has every right to be mad but this post comes off as petulant and juvenile.

> Space Karen > billionaire bozo > comparisons to his Mother's death Yeah, I had a hard time getting through it. At least, I don't get the point the author is trying to make. Is this really a surprise given the direction social data has gone in the past decade or so? APIs will only remain public as long as they are useful. Elon sees an upside to making the API at twitter more private, in order to maintain control ove…

The author is disappointed because API access has been removed.

He's angry because it was apparently done without notice on the orders of billionaire bozo Space Karen.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by mhio »

tptacek wrote: post #87
pmarreck wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, I have to ask- What exactly was your argument against MP3's? They literally let you transfer music with an order of magnitude less data than it took on the CD! Was it an audiophile argument, or...? I was lucky enough to live in a freshman college dorm (a music-focused dorm, no less!) circa 1997-1998 when Napster was still a thing right after MP3's were a thing, and that shit was amaaaaazing I mean given how much…

In the set-associative cache that was my brain in 1998, MP3s occupied the same slot as XDCC'd Amiga mods. But much bigger files. I was carrying around giant folders of CDs at the time. Also: you had to listen to them... on your computer? I had a whole discrete stereo system. Why would I want to listen to music through game speakers?

3.5mm to RCA adapters were a thing! Usually very, very long ones.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by MonkeyMalarky »

thih9 wrote: post #70

The brand is losing so much credibility among developers, I guess we'll see even fewer products with Twitter API as a core feature. I know this has been a trend for the last couple of years but this kind of lack of communication seems like a milestone.

I think the real beginning of the end will be when tertiary services axe their twitter integrations. Top of mind for me would be Google News.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by pbronez »

tptacek wrote: post #110
warinukraine wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I looked at in terms of the "Fediverse", a coherent decentralized social network, with lots of instances cooperating to make one intentional thing. So what was your original argument against this?

That it will never cohere. (That's about as much as I want to say about this right now; this gets boring pretty quickly.)

Yeah. The vision of a unified fediverse at Twitter scale seems unhelpful. The whole point is that you don’t have to align with everyone else, you can do your own thing and opt into the world the way you want.

This contradiction flares up in many places. Most obviously, the existing community HATES all kinds of analytics, search, etc because they’re concerned they can be weaponized by trolls. At the same time, Mastodon has all kinds of unauthenticated APIs that make it trivial to slurp data. Mastodon doesn’t even let you post stuff to just your local instance!

I expect that the current post-twitter-collapse energy will result in ActivityPub 2.0, and that revision of the spec will make it easier to control where your posts go.

Ultimately I think the Fediverse will agree on the core protocol, splinter over activity vocabularies, and scatter over moderation standards. That Will Be Fine and we’ll have something clearly better the Web 2.0 local maxima we’ve been trapped in for the last decade or so.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by arrrg »

xupybd wrote: post #128
Ensorceled wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm defending the right to own property, which is something really fundamental to the way we organize our society. No one is trying to "steal" twitter in this thread, we are saying he used his "property rights" to unnecessarily hurt others. You're the one who is saying this is just peachy keen and "that's on you". You're defending the harm.

I feel for this guy. He worked on a product for 16 years. A lot goes into that and it becomes part of your identity. Then right at a time close to the loss of his mother it gets shutdown, with no warning. I'd be devastated. That said Elon is not doing this to anyone. He is not attacking anyone. He simply made a business decision. This happens all the time. Companies let suppliers go for financial reasons, they let st…

This to me reads like an argument that we should nuke capitalism. (Which I’m not sure is a good ideas, even.)

I mean, you are presenting something as inevitable, I just don’t understand why.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by wstuartcl »

brap wrote: post #113

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While I agree that getting locked out is a clear risk of any business built against another company's platform I do think it is perfectly reasonable for someone whom has done so for 15+ years (and is part of an ecosystem that helped establish that third party) to be publicly upset for the mode and method for how this change happened at twitter. Its not just his frustrations being vented in this post but the impact to his users (which is well out of his control).

Twitter's actions of breaking the API for the largest 25 integrators with millions of users (by all indications) on purpose with 0 deprecation warning, 0 communication, 0 response the the break is garbage. Knowing that Musk is the agent of change and the one setting these actions in place he can take the heat.

at the end of the day I am done with twitter as it is, so its no skuff on my skin either way -- as far as I am concerned there is a clear path forward for the types of actions Musk has taken at twitter. It is just a matter of time.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by karlshea »

clouddrover wrote: post #55
mkoc wrote: post #19

Not sure how it is for others, but for me tapbot Tweetbot is working again since today; is the API back up?

Tweetbot partially works because they're using new API keys: https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/15/23556359/tweetbot-twitter... It's a temporary workaround at best. The new API access is rate limited and Tweetbot will likely be banned again.

The new keys are already not working for me.
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