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Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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God, the number of panicked IT support calls I got over that particular phrasing. It was quite the month.

Let me try guessing it... most people thought it was some kind of ransomware smiling at them?

That was my thought. I mean, it was a little bit too cinematic and I don't think things like this happen in real life, but I had a WTF moment.

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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It’s not even possible in windows 11. You can leave Microsoft behind, or accept it and move on. I think apple does this too. You have options, but they don’t include Microsoft or apple. I think chromeos, for now, lets you opt out. I could be wrong about that.

For some reason, “I think Apple does this too” always comes up in the discussions about Microsoft forcing online accounts within Windows. MacOS doesn’t do this. Accounts are machine local. iCloud integration is an optional layer on top. Always has been. Nothing has changed. Maybe give the OS a try before assuming Apple is following all the same antipatterns just because they also happen to fall into the category of “…

Apple has more than one operating system.

iOS requires you to sign in to install apps.

Technically this doesn't lock you out the operating system, but it's close.

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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This definitely happened to me a while ago. I'm not that upset about it, except that I spent some time changing all my local accounts from "jon" to "jrockway", and signing in with my email address made my local account "jon". Now when I ssh places, I have to supply -l or properly add an entry to ~/.ssh/config because this is the only account I have that's not named "jrockway". All in all, this reduces the enjoyment i…

Did it switch you magically or something? I actually don't mind the microsoft account integration but I also have a name issue. Microsoft will name my account the equivilent "jons" instead of "jsmith" but all my ssh logins are the latter. I just make an offline account first and then change my account to a microsoft one in user settings and it seems to keep the first name.

I think I consented in some sense; a condition to upgrade Windows 8 retail to Windows 10 or something like that. It is one of those things like "I'm going to close my eyes and punch the air wildly, if you get hit it's your fault". It was my fault, but kind of rigged against me if that makes any sense. Like I said, though, I'm not that mad about it.

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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is there any guarantee that if i annoy microsoft on github or xbox gaming that microsoft will not disable my windows account tied to those email addresses? threat surfaces go beyond ephemeral and tracking data.

Make a new account just for Windows

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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Windows 11 latest installer doesn't even present the option to use a local account. However, the mechanism to bypass this is to enter in a fake Microsoft Login ID and then wait for it to fail, then select something like "Other Options" at the dialog that comes up and then there's an option to use a local account. I think you can also install without internet and you'll get the local account option too, but I have not…

Did they take away the ability to create a local account if you setup without Internet access?

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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This definitely happened to me a while ago. I'm not that upset about it, except that I spent some time changing all my local accounts from "jon" to "jrockway", and signing in with my email address made my local account "jon". Now when I ssh places, I have to supply -l or properly add an entry to ~/.ssh/config because this is the only account I have that's not named "jrockway". All in all, this reduces the enjoyment i…

Given that some Microsoft employees no doubt frequent this forum, I hope they see and address this issue.

Something like an advanced checkbox to customize the local account’s username. Maybe also having a default local user account name tied to the online account for any new machines set up with the online account.

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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It actually tricks almost everyone succesfully. Every "non-techie" person I have met (and I have met many different people) uses an online account to sign in to their Windows 10 computer.

Every time I configure a fresh Windows 10 system I make sure the computer is not connected to the Internet so it would let me use an offline account.

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