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Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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You have to be disconnected from wifi and Ethernet to be offered the option of a local account. This was removed in 11.

I use Windows 11 Professional and was able to install using a local account while connected to WiFi.

If you know what the UI looked like while you accomplished this, that would be useful. I've had to reach back behind the machine, unplug the ethernet, and reboot to get it to realize I'm just trying to setup a spare machine for visitors.

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

#32

You have to be disconnected from wifi and Ethernet to be offered the option of a local account. This was removed in 11.

Coincidentally, that's why I am not using win11, despite all its improvements over win10.

(The one i miss most is GUI support in WSL )

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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post #30

This definitely happened to me a while ago. I'm not that upset about it, except that I spent some time changing all my local accounts from "jon" to "jrockway", and signing in with my email address made my local account "jon". Now when I ssh places, I have to supply -l or properly add an entry to ~/.ssh/config because this is the only account I have that's not named "jrockway". All in all, this reduces the enjoyment i…

I think the “files are where you left them” dialogue is meant to assuage the concerns of people who just did a big OS upgrade and are a bit anxious about it all. It’s still a pretty poorly thought out dialogue, though.

You know what reassures me that nothing has gone wrong? When unexpectedly I am greeted with big white text insisting everything is okay. Imagine if you got a letter through the post out of the blue saying "You don't have cancer." I can only imagine how I would probably suddenly be a lot more worried about having cancer than before having gotten that letter.

Whoever came up with that idiotic dialogue is unhinged and detached from reality and has no business touching a user interface.

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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post #13

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For some reason, “I think Apple does this too” always comes up in the discussions about Microsoft forcing online accounts within Windows. MacOS doesn’t do this. Accounts are machine local. iCloud integration is an optional layer on top. Always has been. Nothing has changed. Maybe give the OS a try before assuming Apple is following all the same antipatterns just because they also happen to fall into the category of “…

It is possible to set up MacOS without an iCloud account, but they do try hard to get you to sign in. You have to be diligent about looking for buttons like "Skip," "Not now," and "I'll do it later." Fortunately those options still exist, but the pressure to sign in has been increasing over the last several versions of MacOS.

Em... No. Have you used a Mac? They only ask you once during setup, and have only one popup asking if you are sure.

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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post #9

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Not entirely, you can open a terminal and input a command to bypass it. It is kind of ironic, though, considering "open a terminal and input a command" is usually considered to be a take-that against GNU/Linux.

Simpler option is to enter a@a.com and any password. It'll error and then let you create local account.

Yep, this still works at least on Windows 10. I did it about 3-4 months ago when setting up a laptop for someone. You do need to fail a few times in a row before it lets you create a local account.

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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This definitely happened to me a while ago. I'm not that upset about it, except that I spent some time changing all my local accounts from "jon" to "jrockway", and signing in with my email address made my local account "jon". Now when I ssh places, I have to supply -l or properly add an entry to ~/.ssh/config because this is the only account I have that's not named "jrockway". All in all, this reduces the enjoyment i…

You should be able to fix your local user name in lusrmgr.msc (select your account and press F2).

I’m using a Microsoft account, but to avoid this nonsense, I created it as a local account (because this laptop shipped with Windows 11 Pro RTM, so I could still do that) and converted it to a Microsoft account. If I didn’t have this option, I would probably create a Microsoft account with the dumb default name, then create a local account, delete the old account, and convert my new local account.

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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This definitely happened to me a while ago. I'm not that upset about it, except that I spent some time changing all my local accounts from "jon" to "jrockway", and signing in with my email address made my local account "jon". Now when I ssh places, I have to supply -l or properly add an entry to ~/.ssh/config because this is the only account I have that's not named "jrockway". All in all, this reduces the enjoyment i…

In French, we once had a poor translation that said: "Laissez-nous tout". Well the "leave everything to us" original was maybe already kind of weird.

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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This definitely happened to me a while ago. I'm not that upset about it, except that I spent some time changing all my local accounts from "jon" to "jrockway", and signing in with my email address made my local account "jon". Now when I ssh places, I have to supply -l or properly add an entry to ~/.ssh/config because this is the only account I have that's not named "jrockway". All in all, this reduces the enjoyment i…

That could have been be the update after the one that famously deleted the content of your download folder.

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

#39
post #20

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This is no longer correct with the latest 22H2 December update. In order to circumvent this now requires getting to the command prompt (Shift+F10) during install and issuing a command to bypass the requirement.

Good to know, will be teaching this trick to my grandma, wish me luck

Luckily your grandma has a grandchild who can do that for her.

Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account

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This definitely happened to me a while ago. I'm not that upset about it, except that I spent some time changing all my local accounts from "jon" to "jrockway", and signing in with my email address made my local account "jon". Now when I ssh places, I have to supply -l or properly add an entry to ~/.ssh/config because this is the only account I have that's not named "jrockway". All in all, this reduces the enjoyment i…

You should be able to fix your local user name in lusrmgr.msc (select your account and press F2). I’m using a Microsoft account, but to avoid this nonsense, I created it as a local account (because this laptop shipped with Windows 11 Pro RTM, so I could still do that) and converted it to a Microsoft account. If I didn’t have this option, I would probably create a Microsoft account with the dumb default name, then cre…

I now have an exact sequence of log ins so that I know exactly the path on Windows everything will be. And the naming / pathing of online MS accounts is confusing and annoying.
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