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Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by janef0421 »

entropicgravity wrote: post #138
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #114

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> So much of our intellectual and financial energy seems to be directed toward overclocking the horse and buggy I don't personally think it's realistic to expect everybody/all people (who mainly work for a living/work hard) to ask them to give up the luxury of spending their hard earned money on being able to transport themselves (to and from their job) in something other than the comfort of their own car. I think yo…

And not to mention the epidemiological aspect, hello covid. A compromise situation could be individual transport but much smaller than current cars. Because EV's scale much more easily than ICE technology it's practical to have EV's with, say, a three person occupancy that take up half of a current car lane. This is the best of both worlds. Single occupancy vehicles and a city's transportation infrastructure doubles…

E-bikes are quite close to what you are describing, and are already remarkably popular.

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Post by manmal »

tensor wrote: post #136
pforret wrote: post #24

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I see colleagues that have to choose a new EV and use the EPA rating as an actual distance ("Oh I can drive to Paris in 1 go"). They don't know that you normally don't start from 100%, and you don't go down to 0%. Your 94% range usage is impressive, but not the norm for daily usage. Most people follow their vendor's recommendations for battery longevity.

Most people also don't drive 400km+ in "daily usage." When they do they charge to 100%. Just like in a gas car you don't fill the tank 100% every day. But you do before a long trip. Can you imagine the article "well acshually, your gas car daily range is much lower because you don't usually start with a full tank!"

We went on several long trips with this car (600-800km), with all the bathroom breaks we didn’t really notice the charging much. Took maybe half an hour longer than with an ICE. And that’s with the first gen Ioniq, with quite low range. I bet with an Ioniq 5 we wouldn’t notice any difference at all.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

jtc331 wrote: post #86
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #80

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EVs do much better in stop and go traffic. I wouldn’t be surprised if some even exceeds EPA range estimates in those cases.

I doubt it would outperform EPA estimates (you can only recapture energy not create it afresh with regenerative braking), but compared to ICE cars the percentage of stated range would be very high.

It’s because air resistance is a much bigger drag on efficiency for an EV, so stop and go traffic is a bit more closer to its ideal efficiency (which is going slow without stopping).

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

landemva wrote: post #121
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #78

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Western European countries are also much stricter on law and order via transit. Brussels, for example, deploys heavily armed police to check fares on the metro often. And Switzerland…you really don’t want to break the laws there even if you have nothing to lose.

I had three interactions with Swiss police in various cities, and they were all ok. Maybe it depends on the person?

Well, it also depends if you can speak a national language. Nothing beats getting chewed out by a Swiss cop for only speaking English.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by pforret »

davedx wrote: post #127
pforret wrote: post #24

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I see colleagues that have to choose a new EV and use the EPA rating as an actual distance ("Oh I can drive to Paris in 1 go"). They don't know that you normally don't start from 100%, and you don't go down to 0%. Your 94% range usage is impressive, but not the norm for daily usage. Most people follow their vendor's recommendations for battery longevity.

When I drove from NL to Paris of course I charge to 100% first. There's some rational logic in the article and comments but there's also some nonsense.

My article talks about daily usage. For long distance travel, obviously I charge to higher % and I use Superchargers. Although even in those circumstances, I never reach 400km between charges, more like 300-350km. Never the ilusive 533 km.

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Post by lelanthran »

ceejayoz wrote: post #33
lelanthran wrote: post #22

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> Why do Americans care so much about resale instead of just using the stuff you bought? I expect that you throw your old car away whenever you get a new one?

Many of us do, yes. Drive it until it’s primary worth is scrap.

> Many of us do, yes.

I doubt it, because

> Drive it until it’s primary worth is scrap.

But that means selling it for scrap, which is still not "throwing it away".

Besides, a car that's 30 years old is still worth more than scrap, and even then, scrapped cars are still sold for money.

So, no, there are very few people either throwing or giving their cars away after driving it for however long it lasted.

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Post by reducesuffering »

xnx wrote: post #77
paulryanrogers wrote: post #65

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Interesting that driving style has such an outsized impact. Perhaps aggressive driving and tire composition should be regulated.

or tax tires

CA does have a tire tax of $1.75 per tire.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by sam345 »

jabart wrote: post #104
sam345 wrote: post #96

This just shows another reason EVs are unrealistic at least in rural USA. 200 km or 125 miles in cold weather. And that's for a Tesla a top of the line EV. Even if you live in the city most people want ability to travel long distances. I just reviewed consumer reports reviews of EVs. Not at all impressed. Overall ratings were very low for most cars. Charging is proprietary for the most part or slow or just in general…

If you are driving an hour both ways every day in a cold climate, yeah, EV probably isn't the right fit for another couple of years. It's also an extreme end of usage. I imagine that a large portion of those people in a rural community don't drive more than 60 miles a day. It is also why the average commute per a person is not 125 miles but substantially less in the US. For reference, 125 miles is about Louisville, K…

125 miles is nothing in the US. It's not about commuting, it's about road trips to the next city, the next state. Sure most people are not doing that every day but they are doing that a few times a year to visit friends, family, and for business. And then what? Meticulouly planning your charges and timing your breaks? or taking a bus or a plane? If you've just spent $50,000 on an EV I would imagine you want to drive not worry about whether you are going to be stuck without a charge. EV success is about selling to the average driver, not EV and green enthusiasts.

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Post by dzikimarian »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #132
JimtheCoder wrote: post #124

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Personally, my time in my car is some of the only pure "me" time I have, and I would hazard a guess that it is the same for many others. A car to me is a personal, climate controlled cocoon, where I can turn on whatever music I want, have a coffee or a snack, and escape for the 30 minutes or however long it takes to reach my destination...without the chance of being bothered by anyone else, much less any of the other…

I love driving as much as the next person but being on the roads at commuting time is hell on earth. Battling all of the other sleep deprived idiots to travel 3 miles in an hour. It's awful.

For me it's 15 minutes in pretty relaxed traffic and music/audiobook. Garage to office door + easy detour to shop if necessary.

In the summer bike is nice alternative, but during bad weather there's nothing comparable to the comfort of car.

Please remember not everyone lives in bay area with long commute and mild weather all year long :-)

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Post by longitudinal93 »

hammock wrote: post #42
michaelteter wrote: post #32

For occasional commutes, 115km one way is ok (not for me, but it's not unthinkable). But 115km each way (230km round trip) 5 days per week is a problem. We should not be doing this, at least not in individual cars. That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road, not to mention its contribution to general traffic. The focus should be on how to reduce the commute distance…

> That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road And brake dust, which includes a lot of metal

Judicious use of regenerative braking practically eliminates brake dust.
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