Calling out an enormous assumed fact in this article that I very much doubt is the case. Author claims people don't charge to 100%: they absolutely do.
Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle
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#142So you deliberately don't charge the battery to 100% then conclude the realistic range is shorter than advertised? I get you don't charge to 100% every day, but if you know you're going to drive further then....you do. Or just do what I do and charge to max each time, the battery is warrantied for 8 years, it's going to be fine. >>Imagine your daily commute is 115 km (e.g. Roeselare-Brussel That would be an extremely…
Even if you do 100%, with just 1 year of used, my Tesla battery on 100% charge shows 320 miles, which is a far cry from 358 advertised. Plus the other estimates are correct. The range drops if it’s too cold, or if it is too hot, or if you use any of the features that the car advertises, or if you’re driving on a freeway, or if it is a stop and go traffic, or if you gain elevation, or basically if you use your car as…
My Y is showing about 93% of rated range after 19k miles, FWIW.
> The range drops if [...] you gain elevation
That's true, but unless you're driving inexorably up into the Himalayas, you're going to come down that hill. EVs have a magic trick they can play in that situation. :)
In point of fact regenerative braking makes EV's equivalent range penalty in hilly terrain much (MUCH) better than any fuel-burning vehicle.
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#143My experience with EVs (Teslas): EVERYDAY CITY DRIVING - I drive whenever I need or want, without ever worrying about range. If I notice the expected range has dipped below ~60 miles, give or take, I plug it in at home at the end of my day. I'm delighted that I never have to go to a gas station, which reeks of all that smelly/poisonous/explosive stuff. LONG TRIPS - I charge to 100% the night before, get on the road,…
I'm not sure I agree that 325mi is a long trip. I used to live in FL and you can drive more than 600mi and stay in the state. I now live in Texas where that number jumps to about 900mi. I'm sure in California it's at least 500mi. EVs can be great if your commute is less than 30mi one way, but that doesn't make them good for road trips. At least in the US.
We've done 2x 700 mile and one 1200 mile trip in our Y. Hands down it's the most comfortable road trip vehicle we've ever owned.
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#144Author first assumes that only 60% of the available battery capacity is used (80% > 20%) and then arrives at the conclusion that the range is lower than expected. Well, no shit. I personally do charge my Ioniq BEV to 100%, and I often drive it to, say, 6%. In summer, I get a range of 220km, and in winter 160-180km, depending on temperature and number of cold starts (cold starts seem to trigger a battery warm-up). SOH…
What do you do when you arrive at the charger with 6% battery left and the charger doesn’t work? Or if there’s a significant queue?
I just don’t. With 6% (sometimes less) I arrive only at home or at sites with multiple chargers. Apps in the EU can show operating status for individual points, but I‘ve stopped looking that up at some point.
Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle
#145My experience with EVs (Teslas): EVERYDAY CITY DRIVING - I drive whenever I need or want, without ever worrying about range. If I notice the expected range has dipped below ~60 miles, give or take, I plug it in at home at the end of my day. I'm delighted that I never have to go to a gas station, which reeks of all that smelly/poisonous/explosive stuff. LONG TRIPS - I charge to 100% the night before, get on the road,…
I'm not sure I agree that 325mi is a long trip. I used to live in FL and you can drive more than 600mi and stay in the state. I now live in Texas where that number jumps to about 900mi. I'm sure in California it's at least 500mi. EVs can be great if your commute is less than 30mi one way, but that doesn't make them good for road trips. At least in the US.
Automobile trip length follows a power-law distribution (above walking distance). https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinformation/pubs/pl08021/fig4...
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Tesla notifies you that you will be shortening the life of the battery if you regularly charge to 100.
The author assumes that all EVs behave like Teslas. Other car manufacturers are aiming for simpler UI, and the charging system itself is meant to deal with the oddities of deciding exactly how much to charge the car to. For instance the often don't show a charge percentage but an estimated range with bounds. I apologize for not bringing a link but there is a beautiful story of real world range that shows that Teslas…
> The author assumes that all EVs behave like Teslas.
It's not a Tesla thing, it's just battery chemistry. Virtually all EVs are being sold with NMC batteries which don't like sitting at 100%. We're starting to see a few LiFePO4 cars arrive on the market, which is a heavier but much more durable chemistry. Most of those are BYD cars, with a few other Chinese brands.
Ironically the most common iron phosphate car to be seen on western roads is... a batch of chinese-made Tesla Model 3 RWD's that reached the US market last year.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Select charge-locations with 4+ chargers available, and in the larger charge-locations along motorway/freeway intersections, there's usually chargers from multiple networks/suppliers, so even failures on a backend of one provider can be worked around by using another network. Doing 2000km this week, I only encountered 1 case where I had to use the 50kw charger, as it was the only one available (there were 2 300kw cha…
This is a very nice theory. Does not work in practice. Got into France, north of Troyes in Enyaq, last 20km in battery. Only chargers there in 30km perimeter are Freshmile 22kW chargers, which won't charge my car (can't start session, car refuses charger, tested 3 of them). Was able to save myself in local PSA dealership, which got their own charger and gave me 20km more so I can get to Troyes to Ionity charger. What…
Try the „A better route planner“ app if you haven’t. It should give you routes that have plenty of error margin.
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#148For occasional commutes, 115km one way is ok (not for me, but it's not unthinkable). But 115km each way (230km round trip) 5 days per week is a problem. We should not be doing this, at least not in individual cars. That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road, not to mention its contribution to general traffic. The focus should be on how to reduce the commute distance…
> That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road And brake dust, which includes a lot of metal
My curiosity here, but is it true as well for bikes (e-bikes or not) using disc brakes? As fair as I understand they are really similar with car's one...
Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle
#149Author first assumes that only 60% of the available battery capacity is used (80% > 20%) and then arrives at the conclusion that the range is lower than expected. Well, no shit. I personally do charge my Ioniq BEV to 100%, and I often drive it to, say, 6%. In summer, I get a range of 220km, and in winter 160-180km, depending on temperature and number of cold starts (cold starts seem to trigger a battery warm-up). SOH…
I see colleagues that have to choose a new EV and use the EPA rating as an actual distance ("Oh I can drive to Paris in 1 go"). They don't know that you normally don't start from 100%, and you don't go down to 0%. Your 94% range usage is impressive, but not the norm for daily usage. Most people follow their vendor's recommendations for battery longevity.
Oh the 94% is the vendor‘s recommendation. Hyundai recommends to charge to 100%, displays the first warning at 13%, and enters „turtle mode“ at 5-6%.
Why don’t you start with 100% if you want to go to Paris in one go?
Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle
#150For occasional commutes, 115km one way is ok (not for me, but it's not unthinkable). But 115km each way (230km round trip) 5 days per week is a problem. We should not be doing this, at least not in individual cars. That electric car is still creating a lot of particulate pollution from the tires on the road, not to mention its contribution to general traffic. The focus should be on how to reduce the commute distance…
> So much of our intellectual and financial energy seems to be directed toward overclocking the horse and buggy I don't personally think it's realistic to expect everybody/all people (who mainly work for a living/work hard) to ask them to give up the luxury of spending their hard earned money on being able to transport themselves (to and from their job) in something other than the comfort of their own car. I think yo…
I don't think most people see car commuting as a luxury. It's very stressful.