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What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Post by wizofaus »

judge2020 wrote: post #5
sampo wrote: post #3

> when I asked it who was “President in 2022,” it responded (inter alia) with “My training data only goes up until 2021, so I am not able to provide information about events that have not yet occurred.” > Notice that it goes off the rails in its answer because it wrote me that in 2023! This is not a mistake. If the bot is trained with data only up to 2021, then for the bot 2022 is in the future, no matter when you as…

We’ll probably see some real skill when Bing gets ChatGPT integration, but I fear even “ChatGPT Premium” won’t support browsing the web.

It needn't be real time though, and arguably better if it weren't. But I'd expect to see the training data updated at least daily at some time in the future.

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Post by somenameforme »

platz wrote: post #76
somenameforme wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what is your take on Brian Sicknick [1]? He's the officer who died following the January 6th riots. [1] All big media sites ran an identical story. He was not only killed, but he was bludgeoned to death, in the head, by a rioter wielding a fire hydrant. Quite the visceral and disturbing imagery. The problem is that it was not true, at all. Not only was he not killed by rioters - the medical examiner would later t…

media was led astray by law-enforcement officials and delay from the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner. After the results were finally published, the information got out and was covered on media outlets (such as the WSJ etc) .. You're looking for perfection in an atmosphere that is genuinely a fog of war and cherry picking 1 example. the point is that statistically speaking your better off with instituitonal media…

There was no 'fog of war', as this went on for months. The ceremony I spoke of happened nearly a month after his death, on February 3rd. I'm not looking for perfection - merely some vague concern for the truth over agenda, and I'm not finding it.

And the idea the media was misled, instead of a participant in misleading, is rather belied by their lack of their concern about such 'deception.' Were this a case where they were genuinely misled, this would have been grounds for a defacto inquisition. Instead not only did they seem completely unconcerned about that, they actively tried to keep pretending he was killed - even when it became clear he was not.

They never pursued, in the slightest, why they just lied to the American people for months. Sites, such as YouTube, which claim to care about disinformation still host hundreds of videos pretending he was killed. And it's not a cherry picked example. The media has been rife with lies as of late. The issue is that this is one where there's no way to do what you're trying to do, and argue for some sort of plausible deniability.

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Post by somenameforme »

wizofaus wrote: post #80
somenameforme wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what is your take on Brian Sicknick [1]? He's the officer who died following the January 6th riots. [1] All big media sites ran an identical story. He was not only killed, but he was bludgeoned to death, in the head, by a rioter wielding a fire hydrant. Quite the visceral and disturbing imagery. The problem is that it was not true, at all. Not only was he not killed by rioters - the medical examiner would later t…

What political gain did Pence and Trump get from honouring his death with such a ceremony though? Not saying there was none, but it's not an obviously strong motive. Seems more like a simple case of someone getting the wrong story and nobody thought to doubt/verify it even at the highest levels. FWIW I'd never heard anything about it until just now (but I'm not in the US).

It was Biden/Harris. As for the exploitation of his death, search YouTube for something like 'officer killed in capitol riots.' For a company that claims to care about misinformation, they're perfectly happy having hundreds videos, full of misinformation, actively exploiting this issue to this day.

And while I have become extremely skeptical of the competence of our government and agencies, I can safely assure you they are more than competent enough to at least determine whether somebody was murdered at the Capitol on a given day, or not.

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Post by kragen »

bioemerl wrote: post #14

Chat GPT reveals that academia has fallen short of the trend as follows. " When you are growing and everyone trusts you, you can do no wrong, and your mistakes shrink into nothing on their own." " When you begin to shrink and your reputation sours, you can do no right, your wrongs balloon catastrophically and your rights slowly shrink into nothing like your wrongs used to" Academia I'm sure provides tons of stuff, bu…

you say, We've gone from a world where the average person trusts institutions to a world where the average person doesn't.

we've never been in a world where the average person trusts institutions

you're in a tiny usa bubble

established institutions in most of the world are openly corrupt, nepotistic, and kleptocratic, and they always have been, so average people trust their families and traditions, not institutions

people in the usa are not average people

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Post by wizofaus »

somenameforme wrote: post #83
wizofaus wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What political gain did Pence and Trump get from honouring his death with such a ceremony though? Not saying there was none, but it's not an obviously strong motive. Seems more like a simple case of someone getting the wrong story and nobody thought to doubt/verify it even at the highest levels. FWIW I'd never heard anything about it until just now (but I'm not in the US).

It was Biden/Harris. As for the exploitation of his death, search YouTube for something like 'officer killed in capitol riots.' For a company that claims to care about misinformation, they're perfectly happy having hundreds videos, full of misinformation, actively exploiting this issue to this day. And while I have become extremely skeptical of the competence of our government and agencies, I can safely assure you th…

It explicitly said in the wikipedia article "The following weekend, Trump ordered flags to be flown at half-staff at all federal buildings, grounds, and vessels for three days". Biden didn't assume office until the 20th.

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Post by somenameforme »

wizofaus wrote: post #85
somenameforme wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was Biden/Harris. As for the exploitation of his death, search YouTube for something like 'officer killed in capitol riots.' For a company that claims to care about misinformation, they're perfectly happy having hundreds videos, full of misinformation, actively exploiting this issue to this day. And while I have become extremely skeptical of the competence of our government and agencies, I can safely assure you th…

It explicitly said in the wikipedia article "The following weekend, Trump ordered flags to be flown at half-staff at all federal buildings, grounds, and vessels for three days". Biden didn't assume office until the 20th.

Flags being flown at half-staff is a pretty normal event, not a rare honor. The ceremony was held on February 2nd. The picture chosen for the Wiki article entry is from that ceremony.

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Post by platz »

somenameforme wrote: post #82
platz wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

media was led astray by law-enforcement officials and delay from the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner. After the results were finally published, the information got out and was covered on media outlets (such as the WSJ etc) .. You're looking for perfection in an atmosphere that is genuinely a fog of war and cherry picking 1 example. the point is that statistically speaking your better off with instituitonal media…

There was no 'fog of war', as this went on for months. The ceremony I spoke of happened nearly a month after his death, on February 3rd. I'm not looking for perfection - merely some vague concern for the truth over agenda, and I'm not finding it. And the idea the media was misled, instead of a participant in misleading, is rather belied by their lack of their concern about such 'deception.' Were this a case where the…

You ignored my question. What's your alternative?

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Post by somenameforme »

platz wrote: post #87
somenameforme wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was no 'fog of war', as this went on for months. The ceremony I spoke of happened nearly a month after his death, on February 3rd. I'm not looking for perfection - merely some vague concern for the truth over agenda, and I'm not finding it. And the idea the media was misled, instead of a participant in misleading, is rather belied by their lack of their concern about such 'deception.' Were this a case where the…

You ignored my question. What's your alternative?

"To your request of my opinion of the manner in which a newspaper should be conducted so as to be most useful, I should answer ‘by restraining it to true facts & sound principles only.’ yet I fear such a paper would find few subscribers. it is a melancholy truth that a suppression of the press could not more compleatly deprive the nation of it’s benefits, than is done by it’s abandoned prostitution to falsehood.

Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. the real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knolege with the lies of the day.

I really look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow citizens, who, reading newspapers, live & die in the belief that they have known something of what has been passing in the world in their time: whereas the accounts they have read in newspapers are just as true a history of any other period of the world as of the present, except that the real names of the day are affixed to their fables.

General facts may indeed be collected from them, such as that Europe is now at war, that Bonaparte has been a successful warrior, that he has subjected a great portion of Europe to his will &c &c. but no details can be relied on. I will add that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. he who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false."

Thomas Jefferson, 1807 [1]

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20 years ago this quote would have been quite hyperbolic. Now it's certainly scathing, but it's also completely appropriate and rationale. The current apparent chaos, deception, and disorder we are now entering into is not some novel and unprecedented era. The brief era of peace, trust, and general "sanity" that we "all" grew up in was the novel and unprecedented era. And so as we return to the past, the wisdom of that era becomes more meaningful than ever.

Welcome to the past, my friend!

https://www.founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/99-01-...

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Post by platz »

somenameforme wrote: post #88
platz wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You ignored my question. What's your alternative?

"To your request of my opinion of the manner in which a newspaper should be conducted so as to be most useful, I should answer ‘by restraining it to true facts & sound principles only.’ yet I fear such a paper would find few subscribers. it is a melancholy truth that a suppression of the press could not more compleatly deprive the nation of it’s benefits, than is done by it’s abandoned prostitution to falsehood. Noth…

so your answer is you have no answer. very well. quick to demonize any/all, but not even interested in a solution. have fun being the eternal critic. chow.

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Post by wizofaus »

somenameforme wrote: post #86
wizofaus wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It explicitly said in the wikipedia article "The following weekend, Trump ordered flags to be flown at half-staff at all federal buildings, grounds, and vessels for three days". Biden didn't assume office until the 20th.

Flags being flown at half-staff is a pretty normal event, not a rare honor. The ceremony was held on February 2nd. The picture chosen for the Wiki article entry is from that ceremony.

Perhaps, but there seems little reason to suppose had Trump/Pence still been in office the decision would have been any different. Just seems you're reading more into the story than is justified.
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