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Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

rybosworld wrote: post #180
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #179

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> The frequency of death from covid is somewhere in the range of 1000-2000 in 100,000 people. That’s you. You imply IFR and now admit it is at least 5-10x lower. You are not arguing in good faith.

I stand by what I originally said. It seems like you are misinterpreting it somewhere along the line but what I said is backed by fact. Again, check the source I linked. It is verifiably true that the death rate of covid is 1.1% in the U.S. Do you have a different definition of "death rate"? > now admit it is at least 5-10x lower Never did I say anything to this effect. So who is really arguing in bad faith?

Come on you don’t even know the definition of IFR? Seriously.

You linked to CFR data yet frame it as IFR, this is like an amateur level discussion if we are back to discussion IFR and CFR. I don’t even know where to start if that is where we are at.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by nradov »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #110
mistrial9 wrote: post #87

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resistance in your immune system is recorded in a more complicated way, you cannot do a simple test to check for covid resistance

I don't want to check for resistance, I want to know if I've had it. I was looking at this IgG/IgM antibody serology testing. [0] Is this unreliable? [0] https://www.questdiagnostics.com/healthcare-professionals/ab...

That test is reliable for detecting the presence of antibodies. A positive test is reliable evidence that you have been infected with SARS-CoV-2. However, a negative test doesn't necessarily mean you were never infected.

There are some more sensitive assays that can detect cellular immunity independent of antibodies, however those are mainly used for research and aren't generally available to most patients.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by nradov »

moistly wrote: post #92
godelski wrote: post #21

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Maybe I'm being generous to the parent, but I also would like a comparison to the flu. Not because I don't believe covid is significantly worse (when I got it, it was way worse than the flu), but because I don't have a medical background and it is difficult to contextualize the actual risks here without some baseline where I have a decent intuition already built around. But where I disagree with the parent is the nee…

But have you actually had the flu? I ask, because most people say “oh, I had the flu” when in actuality they just had a common cold. The flu, the real flu, knocks you on the ass so hard that you actively start considering that death is a possibility and that heading over to the hospital would be a good idea. I’ve had the flu perhaps twice. Once as a child, once in my early 50s. The latter completely recalibrated my u…

Many influenza infections are asymptomatic (just like COVID-19).

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by nradov »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #152
TurkishPoptart wrote: post #55

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>As far as I can tell, everyone is going to get COVID Not if everyone gets antibodies first.

I had the initial two Pfizer shots, then a Moderna booster. Had a strong immune reaction to the second and third shot. Still got Covid 7 months later. Unless people are very careful, I suspect everyone is going to get it.

The strength of your immune reaction to the vaccine doesn't reliably indicate anything about the effectiveness of the vaccine in a particular patient.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by nradov »

nikolay wrote: post #121
wkat4242 wrote: post #108

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Where I live people do get reinfected every few months because masks are gone, and this is not a major problem. Most of the long COVID cases stem from the first and second waves here.

We are talking long-term harm - it's too early to say people are just fine.

You should probably hide under your bed wearing a triple mask. Just in case.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #177
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #152

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I had the initial two Pfizer shots, then a Moderna booster. Had a strong immune reaction to the second and third shot. Still got Covid 7 months later. Unless people are very careful, I suspect everyone is going to get it.

Sadly, the vaccines were not designed to prevent infection, only to prevent severe illness. I can understand if you were misinformed, even the US President shared this untruth.

That’s the point. Even if you have antibodies, you can still get it.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by nikolay »

nradov wrote: post #185
nikolay wrote: post #121

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We are talking long-term harm - it's too early to say people are just fine.

You should probably hide under your bed wearing a triple mask. Just in case.

He who laughs last, laughs best. Keep laughing!

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by dieselgate »

nikolay wrote: post #187
nradov wrote: post #185

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You should probably hide under your bed wearing a triple mask. Just in case.

He who laughs last, laughs best. Keep laughing!

Just got home and on the drive saw a billboard that said “he who laughs last didn’t get the joke” Keep laughing regardless!

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by wesapien »

tasuki wrote: post #129
wesapien wrote: post #128

I got Covid in November and I was fully jabbed but no boost. As soon as I felt something different, I performed nasal rinsing and added Iodine to it. I did this for the first 5 days twice a day. This was the crucial thing for me. I felt fine after the 4th day but still tested positive. I tested negative on the 10th day and I ended my self quarantine. Before that, I was already taking Zinc, Vitamin D3, Vitamin C for y…

How do you know that what you did helped you recover fast? As a data point, I also had Covid and also recovered fast, without any of these.

I can't really know for sure because I've only gotten COVID once. Even with that in mind, they are low risk. It's not the first time I've tried nasal irrigation. It's given me relief every time I had performed it during the times I had a cold or even just a stuffy/runny nose. This goes way back to when I was a child. The supplements I take have a lot of data points as far as their benefits. If you Google these things individually: nasal irrigation, vitamin c/d and zinc and add filter "before:2020", you will see all the pre-COVID data points. I'm not just jumping into some fringe left COVID hipster trend.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by Animats »

jandrewrogers wrote: post #163
seydor wrote: post #141

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The studies tell the opposite. A large study in US veterans found increased risk in 2 and 3 times reinfected, including death https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... > Reinfected patients had a more than doubled risk of death and a more than tripled risk of hospitalization compared with those who were infected with COVID just once. They also had elevated risks for problems with lungs, heart, b…

The VA is almost nothing but old sick people, the demographic most susceptible to serious COVID. Fortunately, most of the population isn't old sick people. The study you reference isn't relevant to conversations about the general population. The view that risk from subsequent infections is negligible is informed by the fact that vast numbers of people have had subsequent infections , including most of the people they…

> The VA is almost nothing but old sick people, the demographic most susceptible to serious COVID.

On the other hand, that someone served in the military means they were healthy enough to get in. Those with serious defects never get to the VA.

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