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Re: YouTube Addiction

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post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually do have an (adult) ADHD diagnosis, though I've always been a bit sceptical of it. It seemed too easy to get and I really didn't think the testing criteria were very good. I have wanted to try medicine to see if it helps me at all, but I've never been able to do so. My GP was willing to perscribe me something, but decided my BP was too high and that was that. There are definitely anxiety issues at play as w…

What was the testing criteria? My assessment took several days, totalling around 8 hours of time in the clinic. A lot of interviewing and cognitive assessments. I'm not sure if that's standard, but maybe that gives you something to contrast it with. I left the experience with a fairly hefty document describing my abilities/disabilities along with various recommendations moving forward. I also received an IQ test resu…

> I also received an IQ test result which was strange to see, and I actually would have preferred not to see it.

Why is that?

Re: YouTube Addiction

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I am seriously addicted to the internet in general and while it may not be an addiction in the physical sense, it has caused major issues in my life. The amount of time I spend on the Internet is insane and no matter how hard I try to will power through it and cut down my usage I always fail. If I ever figure out how to overcome it I'll have to write a book or something, because I've wasted years of my life and misse…

I spend was too much time on the internet too like right now checking hn but for me I chalk it up to lack of other things to do. I don't have a lot of friends, it's hard to make new ones, covid doesn't help, at the moment I've got no personal projects except maybe trying new recipes now and then. that said, if I do find other activities I have no trouble doing them. I'm taking a class for example, meet the friends I…

> I chalk it up to lack of other things to do

In my case, I don't have other things to do because I'm on the internet. When I manage to turn off the internet (HN, Youtube, podcasts, Twitter, LinkedIn, reading up on random, pretty useless stuff), suddenly I get pretty good ideas on what to do.

Oh, I wanted to learn finally that language. I wanted to clean up in the kitchen cabinet. I wanted to meet up with a friend. I wanted to sign up for swimming class. I wanted to go to a restaurant with my wife. I wanted to call my brother and sister. I wanted to code up an open source package...

The list of fun things to do is endless, but somehow consuming content on the internet trumps everything if you are not careful (ymmw).

Re: YouTube Addiction

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post #148

I successfully reduced time wasted on YouTube by making the website much less appealing. I unsubscribed from everything, emptied all of my playlists, unliked every video I liked, deleted my comments, and disabled my YouTube history. I also turned off ad blocking for YouTube. Now the algorithm isn't targeting me enough to serve attention-grabbing content. And the time it takes to get gratification with pre-video ads h…

> I unsubscribed from everything, emptied all of my playlists

This is probably enough. I've never subscribed to anything except for a friend who doesn't post anything, some random dude who hacked an old LG TV (he doesn't post anything either) and a couple of channels. I've just checked and all the recommendations I see are completely useless; I'm indifferent at best or sometimes even repulsed. Even though I can see how they were picked (Google search history).

> It's interesting to note that YouTube is still surprisingly good at suggesting relevant content to me

This is what really baffles me. I don't know what is wrong with me, but I don't remember ever seeing a relevant and useful recommendation from a machine (except when the search domain was already constrained to something very niche).

Here's what I see if I open YouTube's home page:

- "Razer Blade 16 and Razer Blade 18 - they finally did it". Yes, I bought a Razer laptop. Of course I've searched for a bunch of things related to their hardware, so Google must've caught it. I don't intend to buy a new one anytime soon. It's a prime example of a "meatbag bought a sofa, must love sofas, show them all the sofas"-style recommendation.

- "The most mysterious band in the world. Enigma." (title translated into English by me). So, long story short, based on my wife's recommendation I watched a channel with two radio DJs telling some interesting trivia about music. Like about how some popular songs are actually a covers of some obscure ones, or how The Prodigy songs were made (where are all the samples are from), etc. Fun stuff, but I don't watch every single video from them. Enigma is a miss for me, sorry. Good try, recommender system - given that this channel is one of a few I've actually cared to subscribe to, hah.

- Some podcast with a name and face that doesn't ring any bells to me.

- "Things I Wish I Knew Earlier In Horizon Forbidden West". Played, finished and uninstalled long time ago, doubt the replay value. And I've already checked the wikis when I was done playing. So, nope, not watching this.

- "Unusual Feature in UltraLoq Smart Lock" by LockPickingLawyer. I think I've watched a couple of LPL's videos when I was randomly wondering about some lock mechanism - so I wanted some quick visual explanation how it works. I sure don't need to see any videos to learn how some IoT is a mess.

- "1 Min Synth Review // TB-303 #shorts". Must be because I've watched that channel about music I've mentioned, since they sometime invite various music experts. I can't carry a tune in a bucket, so this is meaningless for me.

- "Lord of the Rings from Sauron's perspective". So, some time ago me and my wife decided to re-watch Peter Jackson's trilogy. And I've searched for The Battle of Helm's Deep because it felt weird and I wanted some expert opinion from Reddit's renown medievalists (lol). I don't think I'd care to watch a fanfic.

- "UE5 - How to create a Radial Weapon Menu - Tutorial Part 6". Never in my life I've ever coded for Unreal Engine. And last time I've did something with 3D game engines was two decades ago, when I was a school kid and played with a DIY Quake 1 map renderer, learning BSP (as well as other space partitioning algorithms) and some OpenGL.

- "10X Your Excel Skills with ChatGPT". So 3 months ago this meatbag needed to figure out how to make a certain one-off chart to visualize some data (and Excel is as good as anything). And this meatbag was not impervious to recent ChatGPT hype. Automated recommendation engines work in a mysterious ways! Obviously, I'd pass.

And so on and so on. I know I'm sometimes a pretty grumpy person, I've had some assholes for role models during my student years, and while I'm not that angsty kid anymore, sometimes something still gets through. And I went to YouTube with an expectation that I won't likely see anything interesting, so there's a bias. But then I've also honestly tried to find something worth watching. It's a good afternoon, I'm done with my dose of HN and I was certainly open to watching something entertaining.

It's not just YouTube for me. Spotify, Kindle, various streaming platforms, Amazon product recommendations and so on - all bad, to the extend I really believe that either I'm a weird outlier or all this "big data" that's supposed to predict my every sneeze is just one big lie from the naked kings of the industry. The thing that prevents me from thinking I'm just a negative person is that I've got a plenty of human-curated recommendations (even non-personal, but just some online posts) that I've genuinely enjoyed.

And I think I know how to waste my time responsibly (aka not screwing up other obligations too much), so I'd even pay for a good recommendation system that'd bring me something I'd be always interested in, on demand, to fill an hour or two when I want it.

So I wonder - how YouTube looks to someone who says the recommendations are good?

Re: YouTube Addiction

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stop using the medical word addiction in contexts where it's highly inappropriate. Youtube isn't even a single thing You're playing with semantics in a context where 1) everyone understands what the author is saying when talking about addiction, making it appropriate to convey what they mean 2) the word pre-dates DSM, the fact that DSM defines that in a medical sense doesn't change the definition from the dictionar…

1: And that's the problem: people believing they know what addiction is and applying it to pretty much anything they or others like to do. It's like how people who are a little finicky would say, "Yeah, that's my ADHD." but it's not. The other groups advocating for useless loose definitions of "addiction" are typically scam groups that run paid seminars for things like "porn addiction". About as legit as anti-homosex…

Per why AS/ASD, the logic was that AS is in the mild section of the syndrom. You can probably draw a parallel to digital addiction, which everyone can agree is a much less severe form of addiction than substance addiction.

Re: YouTube Addiction

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I used to be addicted to youtube, and the most effective method I found to limiting my consumption was using an extension called Unhook. It removes all recommendations and the shorts and trending tabs, so the only videos I can watch are those from channels I'm subscribed to, or videos that I search for.

I also make sure my new tab screen doesn't have sites like YouTube, Twitch, etc. I don't use any social media sites so they won't appear there, but if you do you should also keep them off of your new tab screen.

Re: YouTube Addiction

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As suzumer also commented, the extension Unhook has also been very helpful to me in curbing the amount of time I spend watching YouTube. I have it set to block the front page suggestions, sidebar suggestions, after video cards, etc. Everything except a particular video I'm searching for. And of course I always view youtube logged out.

The first thing I did to try to curb my...addiction to YouTube was to consume the videos instead through RSS feeds. I wrote a script omnavi (https://sr.ht/~smlavine/omnavi) to help out with that. I would never watch videos on YouTube itself; I would click links that I got through RSS to channels I was subscribed to, and view the videos locally with mpv + youtube-dl.

Honestly it's sad to look back at how many hours of my day I wasted watching YouTube videos. They're the sort of sort-of educational videos that make me feel like I'm spending my time valuably, but at the end of an all-night session, I really wouldn't have been able to tell you any of what I had watched for the past six hours.

Re: YouTube Addiction

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AS someone who watches a lot of YouTube, like the Let's Play content mentioned, I recognise and sympathise with the OP. But I think the problem isn't necessarily YouTube - thats just the drug of choice. It could be Twitch, it could be podcasts, or television, or any other form of entertainment offering a parasocial relationship. One that fill the gaping lonely hole in so many people's lives.

Re: YouTube Addiction

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Been there - still am. self-control (https://selfcontrolapp.com/) is the nuclear tool in my anti-scrolling arsenal. If you figure out how to get around it please do not tell me - it's the best thing I've found for completely shutting myself out of youtube (and chess websites - bullet chess is a similar drug for me).

Disclosure - I'm full time working on software that arms people with better tools for fighting compulsive digital habits (https://getclearspace.com/) We have a chrome extension and an iPhone app and they're powerful for retraining compulsive habits - but can't honestly recommend them for full blow addiction (yet).

Interestingly, in watching my own behavior, the most effective force for keeping me from wasting my life is knowing that people can see my screen (at the office for example). I'm starting to think that replicating this remotely might be a way to keep my phone usage in check. If I could opt-in to sharing my phone screentime with a pre-set list of friends that might change how I behave - particularly if they were notified if I ever deleted the app that was doing that sharing. I'll be all-in building some version of that for the next few months if you want to be on the beta list for some accountability experiments. https://screentimeaccountability.com/

Re: YouTube Addiction

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Been there - still am. self-control ( https://selfcontrolapp.com/ ) is the nuclear tool in my anti-scrolling arsenal. If you figure out how to get around it please do not tell me - it's the best thing I've found for completely shutting myself out of youtube (and chess websites - bullet chess is a similar drug for me). Disclosure - I'm full time working on software that arms people with better tools for fighting compu…

I think it's incredibly misguided and crass to plug websites and apps in a discussion about people sharing struggles with addiction to websites and apps.
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