Good for personal use, but in the scene you must use a recent enough version of EAC or XLD.
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Whipper: Accurate Audio CD Ripping
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Re: Whipper: Accurate Audio CD Ripping
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Audiophile nerds have moved on to digital formats that are much higher res than CD or have gone 100% analog.
There is a commercially available digital format/medium that has higher res than CD? Like, there are 96kHz discs being sold out there? And there are labels out there mastering and producing these discs? Sorry this is news to me! I thought 96kHz encodes were upsamples or homemade rips from analog formats.
Aac on an SSD or on the internet?
Re: Whipper: Accurate Audio CD Ripping
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
I found Swinsian[1] after I ditched iTunes, It works quite good and I’m very happy with it. While I rip all tracks separately the FAQ states: „Swinsian also supports albums ripped as a single file together with a cue file, and FLAC, Ogg Vorbis and WavPack files with embedded cue information„. There is a free trial, maybe this works for you. [1] https://swinsian.com/
Very promising: supports macOS 10.8 and later, last updated in 2021, and it read my whole CD collection in just a couple of minutes. Thank you for the suggestion.
I wonder if it's still being developed. It's concerning that it's still an Intel-only build instead of a Universal build that can run natively on Apple Silicon hardware.
Re: Whipper: Accurate Audio CD Ripping
#144Whipper is great and I use it to backup my audio CDs in FLAC format.
There's a plugin called whipper-plugin-eaclogger which will generate the logs in a format compatible with EAC.
Then just run whipper with: `whipper cd rip -L eac`
Re: Whipper: Accurate Audio CD Ripping
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Years ago, I had most of my music ripped to AAC in iTunes, easily accessible, browsable, and shuffleable. I now rip each of my CDs to a single FLAC and cue sheet (using XLD on Mac), on the theory that it's the most accurate way to archive a disc. However, I haven't found anything that offers the same accessibility to such a collection as iTunes did. I look through folders, and drag a few cue sheets at a time into Foo…
"... on the theory that it's the most accurate way to archive a disc ..." I won't argue with this but I think there needs to be a qualifier - the most accurate way to archive a disc while using compression ... Given that an audio cd is encoded in WAV/PCM and we have a WAV file specification, I think ripping to a WAV file remains the gold standard: "... digital audio extraction software can be used to read CD-DA audio…
FLAC is lossless, so there shouldn't be any difference in accuracy between the WAV and the FLAC. Of course, this is why people often choose FLAC for archival of ripped CDs.
Edit: I only mention this because I can't think why the extra "while using compression" qualifier is relevant except for information loss during compression.
Re: Whipper: Accurate Audio CD Ripping
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Years ago, I had most of my music ripped to AAC in iTunes, easily accessible, browsable, and shuffleable. I now rip each of my CDs to a single FLAC and cue sheet (using XLD on Mac), on the theory that it's the most accurate way to archive a disc. However, I haven't found anything that offers the same accessibility to such a collection as iTunes did. I look through folders, and drag a few cue sheets at a time into Foo…
"... on the theory that it's the most accurate way to archive a disc ..." I won't argue with this but I think there needs to be a qualifier - the most accurate way to archive a disc while using compression ... Given that an audio cd is encoded in WAV/PCM and we have a WAV file specification, I think ripping to a WAV file remains the gold standard: "... digital audio extraction software can be used to read CD-DA audio…
FLAC is lossless. Any audio CD ripped and encoded to FLAC will be the exact same accuracy as WAV.
Re: Whipper: Accurate Audio CD Ripping
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
"... on the theory that it's the most accurate way to archive a disc ..." I won't argue with this but I think there needs to be a qualifier - the most accurate way to archive a disc while using compression ... Given that an audio cd is encoded in WAV/PCM and we have a WAV file specification, I think ripping to a WAV file remains the gold standard: "... digital audio extraction software can be used to read CD-DA audio…
FLAC is lossless. Any audio CD ripped and encoded to FLAC will be the exact same accuracy as WAV.
Does FLAC preserve the exact bytestream of the CD tracks? (As an analogy, PNG is "lossless," but it won't natively preserve the metadata of a raw digital camera image.) The audio will be preserved but there might be interesting details on the CD like easter eggs, copyright text, etc. and I'm not sure FLAC would capture those.
Re: Whipper: Accurate Audio CD Ripping
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
>your cd rips are 8-12x more accurate than anything streamed of Spotify? How did you calculate a factor by which lossless is better than lossy?
>your cd rips are 8-12x more accurate than anything streamed of Spotify?... >...How did you calculate a factor by which lossless is better than lossy? I specifically typed accurate, not better.
>your cd rips are 8-12x more accurate than anything streamed of Spotify?...
>...How did you calculate a factor by which lossless is better than lossy?
>I specifically typed accurate, not better.
Yeah OK, that's just wording. Which two factors did you specifically compare, that gave you the 8-12x figure?
Re: Whipper: Accurate Audio CD Ripping
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
FLAC is lossless. Any audio CD ripped and encoded to FLAC will be the exact same accuracy as WAV.
Does FLAC preserve the exact bytestream of the CD tracks? (As an analogy, PNG is "lossless," but it won't natively preserve the metadata of a raw digital camera image.) The audio will be preserved but there might be interesting details on the CD like easter eggs, copyright text, etc. and I'm not sure FLAC would capture those.
> Does FLAC preserve the exact bytestream of the CD tracks? (As an analogy, PNG is "lossless," but it won't natively preserve the metadata of a raw digital camera image.)
No, but if that is the definition being used, neither does WAV store that data either.
> The audio will be preserved but there might be interesting details on the CD like easter eggs, copyright text, etc. and I'm not sure FLAC would capture those.
Flac does allow for storing a lot of metadata in the flac file itself, including: CUE sheet, a picture (image file), and arbitrary tags (key value pairs). So much of those could be stored in the flac file, but obtaining them (Easter eggs and the like) is dependent upon the program ripping the CD, not the file format storing the result of the rip (flac does not do CD ripping itself).
Re: Whipper: Accurate Audio CD Ripping
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Audiophile nerds have moved on to digital formats that are much higher res than CD or have gone 100% analog.
There is a commercially available digital format/medium that has higher res than CD? Like, there are 96kHz discs being sold out there? And there are labels out there mastering and producing these discs? Sorry this is news to me! I thought 96kHz encodes were upsamples or homemade rips from analog formats.
Most hi-res audio is being sold as digital downloads. I don't think there's a currently-sold physical medium that contains digital data that's higher quality than a CD.