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On the dangers of stochastic parrots: Can language models be too big? (2021)

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Re: On the dangers of stochastic parrots: Can language models be too big? (2021)

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This was mostly political guff about environmentalism and bias, but one thing I didn't know was that apparently larger models make it easier to extract training data. > Finally, we note that there are risks associated with the fact that LMs with extremely large numbers of parameters model their training data very closely and can be prompted to output specific information from that training data. For example, [28] dem…

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Re: On the dangers of stochastic parrots: Can language models be too big? (2021)

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This paper is the product of a failed model of AI safety, in which dedicated safety advocates act as a public ombudsman with an adversarial relationship with their employer. It's baffling to me why anyone thought that would be sustainable.

Compare this to something like RLHF[0] which has acheived far more for aligning models toward being polite and non-evil. (This is the technique that helps ChatGPT decline to answer questions like "how to make a bomb?")

There's still a lot of work to be done and the real progress will be made by researchers who implement systems in collaboration with their colleagues and employers.

[0] https://openai.com/blog/instruction-following/

Re: On the dangers of stochastic parrots: Can language models be too big? (2021)

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This paper is embarrassingly bad. It's really just an opinion piece where the authors rant about why they don't like large language models. There is no falsifiable hypothesis to be found in it. I think this paper will age very poorly, as LLMs continue to improve and our ability to guide them (such as with RLHF) improves.

This is ok. 90% of research is creative thinking, dialogue. One idea creates the next, some are a foil, some are dead ends. As long as there are not outrageous claims being made for 'hard evidence' where there is none, it's fine. Maybe the format isn't fully appropriate but the content is. Most good things come about in a non-linear process which involves provocation along the line somewhere.

Re: On the dangers of stochastic parrots: Can language models be too big? (2021)

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I am of the general understanding that this paper became less about the LLMs & more of a insinuating hit piece against Alphabet. At least, some of the controversial nuggets got Gebru (and later M Mitchell) fired.

From a technical standpoint, there is little new stuff that I found this paper offered in understanding why LLMs can have unpredictable nature, or what degree of data will get exposed by clever hacks (or if there are systematic ways to go about it). It sounded more like a collection of verifiable anecdotes for easy consumption (which can be a good thing by itself if you want capsule understanding in a non-technical way)

Re: On the dangers of stochastic parrots: Can language models be too big? (2021)

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I am of the general understanding that this paper became less about the LLMs & more of a insinuating hit piece against Alphabet. At least, some of the controversial nuggets got Gebru (and later M Mitchell) fired. From a technical standpoint, there is little new stuff that I found this paper offered in understanding why LLMs can have unpredictable nature, or what degree of data will get exposed by clever hacks (or if…

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Re: On the dangers of stochastic parrots: Can language models be too big? (2021)

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post #6

This paper is embarrassingly bad. It's really just an opinion piece where the authors rant about why they don't like large language models. There is no falsifiable hypothesis to be found in it. I think this paper will age very poorly, as LLMs continue to improve and our ability to guide them (such as with RLHF) improves.

This is generally my feeling as well with the paper.

You don't come out feeling "Voila! this tiny thing I learnt is something new", which does happen often with many good papers. Most of the paper just felt a bit anecdotal & underwhelming (but I may be too afraid to say the same on Twiiter for good reason)

Re: On the dangers of stochastic parrots: Can language models be too big? (2021)

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This paper is the product of a failed model of AI safety, in which dedicated safety advocates act as a public ombudsman with an adversarial relationship with their employer. It's baffling to me why anyone thought that would be sustainable. Compare this to something like RLHF[0] which has acheived far more for aligning models toward being polite and non-evil. (This is the technique that helps ChatGPT decline to answer…

> The resulting InstructGPT models are much better at following instructions than GPT-3. They also make up facts less often, and show small decreases in toxic output generation. Our labelers prefer outputs from our 1.3B InstructGPT model over outputs from a 175B GPT-3 model, despite having more than 100x fewer parameters.

I wonder if anyone's working on public models of this size. Looking forward to when we can selfhost ChatGPT.

Re: On the dangers of stochastic parrots: Can language models be too big? (2021)

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post #9

This was mostly political guff about environmentalism and bias, but one thing I didn't know was that apparently larger models make it easier to extract training data. > Finally, we note that there are risks associated with the fact that LMs with extremely large numbers of parameters model their training data very closely and can be prompted to output specific information from that training data. For example, [28] dem…

That is sort of understood facts with even models like Copilot & ChatGPT. With the amount of information we are generally churning, all PII may not get scrubbbed. And these LLMs often could be running on unsanitized data - like a cache of Web on Archive.org, Getty images & the likes.

I feel this is a unavoidable consequence of using LLM. We cannot ensure all data is free from any markers. I am not a expert on databases/data engineering so please take it as an informed opinion

Re: On the dangers of stochastic parrots: Can language models be too big? (2021)

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This paper is the product of a failed model of AI safety, in which dedicated safety advocates act as a public ombudsman with an adversarial relationship with their employer. It's baffling to me why anyone thought that would be sustainable. Compare this to something like RLHF[0] which has acheived far more for aligning models toward being polite and non-evil. (This is the technique that helps ChatGPT decline to answer…

> researchers who implement real systems

That's what I didn't like about Gebru - too much critique, not a single constructive suggestion. Especially her Gender Shades paper where she forgot about Asians.

http://proceedings.mlr.press/v81/buolamwini18a/buolamwini18a...

I think AnthropicAI is a great company to follow related to actually solving these problems. Look at their "Constitutional AI" paper. They automate and improve on RLHF.

https://www.anthropic.com/constitutional.pdf

Re: On the dangers of stochastic parrots: Can language models be too big? (2021)

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I believe this is the papers that got timnit and mmitchel fired from google, followed by a protracted media/legal campaign against google and vice versa.

I suspect it was Timnit’s behavior after the paper didn’t pass internal review that actually got her fired (issuing an ultimatum and threatening to resign unless the company met her demands; telling her coworkers to stop writing documents because their work didn’t matter; insinuations of racist/misogynistic treatment from leadership when she didn’t get her way).
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