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Re: YouTube Addiction

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post #126

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I spend way more time random surfing than I probably should. Honestly we probably are both dealing with ADHD, depression, or some sort of anxiety disorder.

I actually do have an (adult) ADHD diagnosis, though I've always been a bit sceptical of it. It seemed too easy to get and I really didn't think the testing criteria were very good. I have wanted to try medicine to see if it helps me at all, but I've never been able to do so. My GP was willing to perscribe me something, but decided my BP was too high and that was that. There are definitely anxiety issues at play as w…

What was the testing criteria?

My assessment took several days, totalling around 8 hours of time in the clinic. A lot of interviewing and cognitive assessments. I'm not sure if that's standard, but maybe that gives you something to contrast it with. I left the experience with a fairly hefty document describing my abilities/disabilities along with various recommendations moving forward.

I also received an IQ test result which was strange to see, and I actually would have preferred not to see it.

Re: YouTube Addiction

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I'm the type to become addicted and I had a big problem with spending vastly too much time on YT. A few months ago I cleared my search and watch history and subscriptions to start fresh. Now I only allow myself to watch videos about math, science, or playing instruments I'm interested in learning to play. If I ever see a politically leaning recommendation I tell YT to never show it to me again. If I slip up and watch…

I likely have some degree of YouTube addiction as well. While I hope your tactic is working well for you, I believe this way of thinking can be a deceiving. Almost all the YouTube content I consume is related to science, engineering, math or chess (I’ve watched many of Susskinds’s lectures too). I used to rationalize my excessive use by telling myself that the content I watched was useful. In reality, my time would b…

>can be a deceiving

I think that's a great way of describing it. Watching "educational" content feels better or more productive than watching a Let's Play, but it's all basically empty entertainment -- the medium and the algorithm sort've necessitate it. Which is definitely not to say there's not awesome resources on youtube for actually learning things, but, for the most part, I'm not watching things that actually take mental effort. I'm more often just letting trash wash over me while also convincing myself that it's OK because "I'm learning" (even though whatever trivial factoid being discussed is immediately ejected from my brain when the next video starts)

I've realized that the internet has a numbing effect on me. It all washes over me until I feel absolutely nothing and I'm just mindlessly consuming. My ISP was recently down for a day, and it actually made life (at least temporarily) more interesting. Rather than just sitting in front of a screen and having content pumped into my veins, my SO and I had to leave the house to seek out things to do.

Then the internet came back and now we're both back on the drip.

Re: YouTube Addiction

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I fall asleep to YouTube -- not watching, I just put on a boring documentary with a monotone narrator, just loud enough that I can hear the voice. I don't even really discern the words. And it distracts my brain from whatever else I'd be thinking about and I fall asleep more easily. Not sure why this is, I guess it's like having someone read a bedtime story to a kid.

I have a premium account so there are no ads.

Re: YouTube Addiction

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While the author compares his problem to Alcohol addiction I was struck by the sentence: "It's gotten to the point where I don't really enjoy the video as much as the numb hypnotic state from consuming that much content."

This to me matches up most with gambling addiction. There is a great book on the subject that I recommend to the Author called "Addiction by Design" by Natasha Schull. The main thrust of her argument is that machine gambling addicts don't care about winning at all but have found gambling machines (slots, video poker mostly) as a reliable way to activate that "flow" state where the rest of the world falls away. It's mostly a study of the problem, very sobering, and there are some good resources at the end for getting help.

I think we're all addicted to this "flow" state. When it happens during programming it's the best feeling ever. Hours go by, no technical hurdle is too big, I can make more progress in 4 hours than 4 days of regular work, and everything just makes sense. I come out of it always wishing I could activate that feeling on command, but it never works reliably for productive things. Only vices, unfortunately.

Re: YouTube Addiction

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post #164

While the author compares his problem to Alcohol addiction I was struck by the sentence: "It's gotten to the point where I don't really enjoy the video as much as the numb hypnotic state from consuming that much content." This to me matches up most with gambling addiction. There is a great book on the subject that I recommend to the Author called "Addiction by Design" by Natasha Schull. The main thrust of her argumen…

>This to me matches up most with gambling addiction. There is a great book on the subject that I recommend to the Author called "Addiction by Design" by Natasha Schull. The main thrust of her argument is that machine gambling addicts don't care about winning at all but have found gambling machines (slots, video poker mostly) as a reliable way to activate that "flow" state where the rest of the world falls away.

Maybe to escape anxiety?

Re: YouTube Addiction

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post #157

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Combine with a blood pressure medicine? Guanfacine is specifically an ADHD treating blood pressure medication.

I'm not the GP, so I don't get to make that call. If they say no that's the end of the story. It's frustrating, but ultimatly just how it is. There's no possibility of a second opinion either because I'm really damn lucky to even have access to a GP, the waiting list for one is ~3-4 years long right now if you don't already have one.

That's crazy. Where do you live? In Poland I just skipped the insurance system to get ADHD meds and went to a psychiatrist specialising in ADHD privately - $70 for a 20 minute visit seems a bit steep but it's better than waiting years.

Could you possibly do something similar?

Re: YouTube Addiction

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I'm the type to become addicted and I had a big problem with spending vastly too much time on YT. A few months ago I cleared my search and watch history and subscriptions to start fresh. Now I only allow myself to watch videos about math, science, or playing instruments I'm interested in learning to play. If I ever see a politically leaning recommendation I tell YT to never show it to me again. If I slip up and watch…

I likely have some degree of YouTube addiction as well. While I hope your tactic is working well for you, I believe this way of thinking can be a deceiving. Almost all the YouTube content I consume is related to science, engineering, math or chess (I’ve watched many of Susskinds’s lectures too). I used to rationalize my excessive use by telling myself that the content I watched was useful. In reality, my time would b…

I'm not(err no longer) fooling myself that I'm learning like I would be by methodically working through a textbook, but it's fun, an improvement to what I was doing before, the most I can consistently muster when I'm zapped after work, not harmful like the toxically engaging political/social content, and inspires me with interesting topics to read further about later. I've accumulated a pile of books on subjects I've listened to talks about and hope to transition to those someday soon when I can manage to get out of the funk I've been in and have more mental energy. I'm already working on the lighter books, but haven't had made it to textbooks yet.

Re: YouTube Addiction

#168
post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually do have an (adult) ADHD diagnosis, though I've always been a bit sceptical of it. It seemed too easy to get and I really didn't think the testing criteria were very good. I have wanted to try medicine to see if it helps me at all, but I've never been able to do so. My GP was willing to perscribe me something, but decided my BP was too high and that was that. There are definitely anxiety issues at play as w…

What was the testing criteria? My assessment took several days, totalling around 8 hours of time in the clinic. A lot of interviewing and cognitive assessments. I'm not sure if that's standard, but maybe that gives you something to contrast it with. I left the experience with a fairly hefty document describing my abilities/disabilities along with various recommendations moving forward. I also received an IQ test resu…

I had to fill out a huge document (30 pages) going over my childhood and adult life, issues I face(d), and all kinds of other little things, as well as some multiple choice assesments. My mother had to fill out another set of documents (10 pages) about me. They required any and all report cards I had as a kid.

I had to get that all together and done before I went, because the clinic is a 2.5 hour drive meaning it wasn't practical to spend a ton of time there.

The actual clinic time consisted of an interview that took ~2 hours and seveal tests. The only test I remember clearly was something called the CPT test, because I thought what they were asking me to do was actually impossible (don't press the X when it's shown).

After that I had a follow up virtual call a few weeks later to discuss the results and they provided me with a document about all the testing, results, and steps going forward. In their own words I have "severe inattentive ADHD".

My main issue is if you know exactly what to tell them of course you'll be diagnosed, it's not like a physical issue that you can't fake. Someone seeking a diagnoses just for drugs could easily have gotten it. Additionally it was a private clinic and I worry there was some incentive for them to provide the result they thought the client wanted.

Re: YouTube Addiction

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I use YouTube as a juke box, or background noise quite a bit. However, thanks to Long Covid, I really have a LOT of time on my hands that I can't otherwise use actually outdoors doing things, nor do I have the budget that I'd otherwise have from a job to be able to buy stuff and work.....

Ok... maybe I do have an addiction ;-) ;-(

Re: YouTube Addiction

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post #134

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What extensions have you tried to limit your usage?

Extensions don't work as I can disable them too easily. Even router level restrictions are too easy for me to bypass, it takes all of a few seconds. The only thing that has ever provided me mild success was locking my devices in my gun cabinet after a certian time of day. It was easy to get them out, but it took long enough that I could at least reconsider. I was only able to matinain that a week or two before fallin…

Perhaps this might work for you:

When I was playing World of Warcraft too much, I decided that each time I saw a loading screen, I would do a small amount of pushups or sit ups. Nothing crazy. 5 or 10 or whatever. Less if I was tired, more if I was bored. It was a tiny physical barrier that made me think more cautiously about what it was that I was doing, and kind of "broke the loop" of the mindless activity I was doing.

Perhaps you could institute something similar. Each time you open a new tab, you do some sort of physical distraction that gets you out of your chair. If pushups and sit ups aren't your thing, it could be something as simple as "Get up from the computer and walk around the room for 20 seconds". If there are stairs in your house, you could walk up and down them once. If you don't have stairs, maybe you could put some resistance bands by a door in your house. You walk to that door, grab the bands, and do some resistance training for 5 to 10 seconds.

The thing that really helped it sink in for me was that it was something that was physically removing me from the computer. Moving away from the computer and then coming back helped to me see just how much time I was spending there. The soreness in my arms and core also helped reinforce how much energy was being devoted to the activity, too. It became a reminder that, "Yes, I have loaded into a lot of different zones today. What have I accomplished? In the game, I suppose I made a few gold or whatever, but for me the person outside of the game, what am I actually accomplishing? The point of the game is to have fun - am I still having fun? I started doing this workout stuff because I felt guilty about what I'm doing. Is that sense of guilt fun?"

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