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What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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It's a huge mistake. The point of life is the synthesis and growth through working through things. We are moving towards a completely meaningless but instant world.

Don’t look now, but the world only ever had the meaning you gave it.

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Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Producing bullshit that’s decent enough to get through uni has always been a thing.

Some people are panicking now because it’s gotten very easy to figure out that they are the actual bullshitter and they finally need to actually do their jobs properly for the first time in their lives but don’t know how to.

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Men are mass opting out of universities. Universities are seeing record low enrollment and it's only going to get worse. https://www.wsj.com/articles/college-university-fall-higher-... I predict the death of the university in our life times.

In many third world countries, teachers/professors are abysmal and incompetent. So, if the US can grant student visas to people who can afford the US tuition fees, these colleges can be filled up with foreigners.

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Chat GPT reveals that academia has fallen short of the trend as follows. " When you are growing and everyone trusts you, you can do no wrong, and your mistakes shrink into nothing on their own." " When you begin to shrink and your reputation sours, you can do no right, your wrongs balloon catastrophically and your rights slowly shrink into nothing like your wrongs used to" Academia I'm sure provides tons of stuff, bu…

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Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Chat GPT reveals that academia has fallen short of the trend as follows. " When you are growing and everyone trusts you, you can do no wrong, and your mistakes shrink into nothing on their own." " When you begin to shrink and your reputation sours, you can do no right, your wrongs balloon catastrophically and your rights slowly shrink into nothing like your wrongs used to" Academia I'm sure provides tons of stuff, bu…

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Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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ChatGPT bullshits, because almost all humanities are occupied by bullshitters. Best example from this blog post itself: “It is difficult to say whether these events show that the humanities have been “infiltrated by bullshitters,” as this would depend on one’s definition of “bullshitters” and one’s perspective on the events in question. However, it is clear that these events sparked significant debate and discussion about the nature of knowledge, truth, and intellectual standards within the academic community.”

Ask any student/professor in Humanities on, say X. The obvious response is: it depends on how you define X. Darwin doesn't define what species is in his "On the origin of species". Even today, we don't have a definition of species--of course, there are many definitions, but not all agree to one definition.

One doesn't need a definition to start doing research. However, in humanities, definitions have become fetishes. That's what ChatGPT demonstrates in her examples.

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a huge mistake. The point of life is the synthesis and growth through working through things. We are moving towards a completely meaningless but instant world.

In fairness, they’ve been saying this exact same thing since about 1800.

They might be right.

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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Men are mass opting out of universities. Universities are seeing record low enrollment and it's only going to get worse. https://www.wsj.com/articles/college-university-fall-higher-... I predict the death of the university in our life times.

The university is very resilient and capable of reinventing itself and its mission. I predict that every major contemporary state will fail before the university.

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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I think its interesting in the discussion of bullshit in the humanities article there is no knowledge or acknowledgement of published bullshit in STEM. And yet pretty much every competent STEM academic is going to have seen a lot of it, perhaps more than in the humanities. There's a reason for citation counts and impact numbers being rewarded more than the raw number of publications when it's time for making tenure decisions.

Re: What ChatGPT reveals about the collapse of support for higher education

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> The corporate and political climbers are on to the fact that producing grammatically correct bullshit is apparently often sufficient to pass too many of our introductory courses. Hmm. This feels true outside of universities as well.

I wish.

We interviewed students at a very expensive local university to do some writing for my startup. We were stunned at the number of them who couldn't string together a 5 paragraph essay that was (1) spelled correctly (!!!!), (2) grammatically correct; and (3) contained coherent, logical thoughts. iirc we interviewed 5, and 3 failed on 2 or more of the previous points.

It appears to be possible to be an undergrad at Santa Clara, presumably with passing grades, while being... not exactly illiterate, but essentially so.

I know this sounds like a grandpa yelling get off my lawn, but our standards were not super high. Correct spelling, correct grammar, and a simple 5 paragraph essay with a clear thesis and supporting arguments.

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