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No, that's what happens when conspiracy theories instill fear, uncertainty and doubt.
When did you switch from hating masks to loving masks? What caused your switch? Why caused you to hate them before you loved them? Was it a conspiracy?
Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row
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Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row
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Parents have a responsibility of best interest for their children. Not vaccinating them so they can die from chicken pox is unforgivable, sorry.
I'm pro vaccines, but chicken pox isn't a great choice for making a rhetorical point. It's the least dangerous illness of the standard childhood vaccines, and was added recently enough that even millennials just lived with it (the vaccine became available in the US in 1995). Measles and polio are the ones I'd emphasize, not chicken pox.
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No, that's what happens if people lack self-reflection. If they had asked themselves if there is any chance that they could possibly know better than someone who's working on a topic all the time, the answer would have been a resounding no, no matter the topic in question.
In my personal experience... you are wrong. I mean, the part about knowing better than someone that works with something. People working in some fields often suffer the "It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It" Example: I have Hashimoto's Disease. All endocrinologists I went to, wouldn't help me, some of them burned a lot of my money trying to prove I…
1) There is no way to quantify how likely this is from personal stories. If your experience is 1 in 100 event, you are doing more harm sharing it than not sharing it if 1 in 10 becomes too suspicious to follow diagnosis.
2) We really don't know. Either things happened as people say, or they doctor shopped until received a misdiagnosis and mismedication they wanted.
3) Readers can't use your example in their personal life because they are different. They may read what you said and go doctor shopping and googling until they are misdiagnosed and mismedicated.
You should not blindly trust doctors, and get second opinion of things seem wrong, but sharing medical stories in the internet is misses the information needed for it to be usable.
Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row
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See the "routine" in the title? The linked-to page says those are: "measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) shot; the diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis (DTaP) shot; and the shots against poliovirus and varicella (chickenpox)." Not COVID vaccination.
I understand that is what the story has said but as another poster has indicated a lot of doctors are only doing vaccinations if parents "agree to all required vaccines" which in most areas of the US they have added COVID to that list So if they make it "take them all including COVID or none" Then naturally parents that refuse to give their children the new COVID treatment will also have to choose refuse the "routine…
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#75Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row
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See the "routine" in the title? The linked-to page says those are: "measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) shot; the diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis (DTaP) shot; and the shots against poliovirus and varicella (chickenpox)." Not COVID vaccination.
Messaging and PR equated the new controversial vaccine with the older routine ones (in the sense of safety and effectiveness, leveraging their track record) and -- surprise -- it goes both ways - it has cast some of the controversy back onto the routine ones. A lot of people who had never in their life questioned vaccine safety or necessity, are now looking into them and not always coming with the conclusion that the…
> Covid-19 vaccine hesitancy “in some cases has translated over to routine vaccinations, and that’s something we’re watching very closely,”
Followed immediately by "Health officials said they haven’t seen an increase in vaccine exemptions nationally".
This article is pretty clear that that connection is likely not the main reason for this drop.
Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row
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While any sane person would agree in general , it isn't hard to find examples of experts in any domain who made some mistake in that domain at some point. Also, normal people are absolutely terrible about probability. Combined, I therefore suspect it's "I know they're normally right, but not about this ."
In this case it's not disagreement with one expert, or even a few. The vaccination schedule is based on a consensus of experts. Not only across organizations, like the CDC, AAP, FDA, but across nations too, more or less. It's truly bizarre to _radically_ disagree, especially as a layperson.
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It is almost unperceivable to people who truly have faith, that other might not believe in the same higher authority as them. This is a story as old as time.
Faith has no impact on my decision to prefer not to be the guinea pig for experimental gene therapy, that results in micro clotting and turning your body into a spike protein factory. I have no issue with traditional vaccination, but this is nothing like a vaccination. They wouldn't have needed to change the definition of vaccination if it was. They wouldn't need to push this 24/7 on every possible platform if it wor…
I guess fair, it's just the underlying cause for both the faith and your gross misunderstanding of high-school biology that's the same.
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It sounds like a good response only if you ignore the real point being raised: when coerced, a being who thinks of itself as having free will fights back at least a small amount. Do you disagree?
That summary is so high-level and abstract as to be useless. At that level, we face coercion all the time: a traffic light is a form of coercion backed by the threat of state violence. Does fighting back against that coercion explain why people run red lights? Moreover, if it's the expected human response, what explains the 2% difference between now and the 2019-2020 school year? Do more people now think of themselve…
The 2% is why you don't force vaccine mandates.
There are studies showing it (pre covid) and we knew the entire time what would happen.
It's so common sense I have to just fu*ing laugh about it all. Sorry.
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Faith has no impact on my decision to prefer not to be the guinea pig for experimental gene therapy, that results in micro clotting and turning your body into a spike protein factory. I have no issue with traditional vaccination, but this is nothing like a vaccination. They wouldn't have needed to change the definition of vaccination if it was. They wouldn't need to push this 24/7 on every possible platform if it wor…
it is not possible for your DNA to be modified by the mRNA vaccines, so it is not gene therapy and the virus will turn your body into a spike protein factory regardless