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Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by nier »

FabHK wrote: post #24
tazu wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to use Chrome on a Mac because Safari refuses to support multiple profiles. I'm a fan of compartmentalization, so my side-business saved passwords are different than my personal saved passwords. Apple would prefer that I create two separate accounts on my Mac (and the annoyance of syncing dotfiles between the two), but Chrome just lets me switch between users seamlessly. It seems like such an easy feature to a…

I’m using Brave for the same reason - compartmentalisation via profiles (“People”). Keep LinkedIn and other data vacuums quarantined, thank you very much.

For “dirty” sites like LinkedIn I simply open a new private window in Safari.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by nier »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #5
can16358p wrote: post #4

I don't really know about all the details of those metrics but I know one thing: Safari is smooth. Actually it was just perfect in the previous years too for me anyway. It just works and works super-efficient. That's why I use it. The only reason I have Chrome installed is to test my websites with Chrome and use MetaMask. TBH I never understood why people use Chrome on a Mac unless there is a specific extension or si…

Personally, I like Chrome's UI much more than Safari, and also enjoy the devtools UI much better. Also like many devs, I use the most popular browser by default so I can design for the majority of users (realizing how this may offend some of you...).

UI? I thought that Safari’s Web Inspector is still behind in naked features.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by speedgoose »

grk wrote: post #40
skrowl wrote: post #35

Safari is the new IE6. It's always going to be the weakest / furthest behind major browser.

Except the data linked in the article proves the exact opposite?

The data shows that it’s a recent and fast change from being the worst to being the best.

It will probably take a few years for Safari to lose the “new IE” reputation it got.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by sofixa »

ridiculous_fish wrote: post #16
loopdoend wrote: post #3

I love how Safari fills in OTP codes from SMS messages automatically. I know you’re not supposed to use them but so many services still do.

This is such a cool feature on Macs. My iPhone receives the OTP via text message, it gets forwarded to Messages on my Mac, and then desktop Safari offers to enter the code. It all takes less than a second. Do other platforms have this? Honest question, I have no idea.

Nope. Android has this API where an app that is confirming your phone number with an SMS can automatically read it (without having access to the rest of your text messages) , but not all apps implement it (probably the majority though).

This is the type of feature Apple are capable of doing because they own the full stack - phone OS, computer OS, browser. Nobody else has that (well Google do with ChromeOS but i doubt such UX is a part of their focus there).

Of course the problem is that if you want to use a different browser, or Tim Cook forbid, a different mobile OS, you lose of all that because there's no interoperability. A form of vendor lock-in if you will.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by ricardobayes »

loopdoend wrote: post #3

I love how Safari fills in OTP codes from SMS messages automatically. I know you’re not supposed to use them but so many services still do.

Would you be ok with the mailman going through your letters and handing you the PIN code for your amex on a post-it note? "Saved you opening it yourself."

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by padjo »

olliej wrote: post #53
bruce511 wrote: post #2

The addition of push notifications is long awaited, and necessary to take PWA to the next level. It is the single biggest hurdle for me in developing PWAs for iOS. Bring it on!

So bizarre that there are devs think we want webpages with the ability to spam them. Literally the last thing I want from a random website is notification spams and pop up, but woooooo soon I guess I’ll have to get used to pop ups asking me to receive ads from websites all over again.

If you’re building a web based messaging app notifications are pretty crucial. Safari not having proper webpush was a major pain in these cases.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by CGamesPlay »

olliej wrote: post #54
habitue wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t know why anyone would want that. A calendar app, a messaging app, etc. All sort of apps have reasonable use cases for notifications, and now you can write those apps as persistent web apps on iOS. The user should still have control over notifications of course, and if you're downloading, let's say, a shopping app, no reason to allow notifications, it'll just be ads or whatever. Overall, flexibility is good.

Happily good calendaring apps have a standard protocol to communicate with calendar apps that don’t load a ton of Facebook and Google stalkerware every time you load them, and let their users just use their prefer calendar app. Messaging services can also make an app, because I sure as shit don’t want my entire browser to become more annoying just because someone can’t be assed making an app. Hopefully safari will ga…

My favorite calendar app is a PWA that uses those standard protocols to integrate with services, plus some other features that I want. And soon, it will have notifications, too.

> Overall, flexibility is good.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by graftak »

csydas wrote: post #43
bigDinosaur wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't do proper adblocking (e.g. uBlock Origin) on Safari. That's why I don't really use it except when on battery and out travelling - and even then I'll often avoid using Safari since ads are so awful. Yes, I've tried the Safari adblockers, they suck. As far as I can tell they do marginally more at best than a DNS block. Once you can't use uBlock Origin with Chrome due to the proposed Manifest V3, Firefox will…

To add to the other responses here, I won't deny the lack of uBlock Origin was a painful point for me going all in with safari on Mac; even the previous broken incarnation that had to be manually built and was a bit buggy was still fantastic compared to non-uBlockOrigin alternatives. A small combination of user scripts for YouTube specific blocking with TamperMonkey and Wipr+KaBlock+1Block seem to work, with only Wip…

That’s possible with the adblocker I use, 1Blocker. On every platform too.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by catach »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #45
wintermutestwin wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Safari is the best browser, hands down, on any platform, by a long shot. I couldn't disagree more. Ignoring the lack of uBlock Origin and multi-account containers (which are table stakes for a browser), Safari's interface is unwieldy and lacks serious customization and a usable implementation of vertical tabs. I can't believe that a $2t company is so careless with their apps.

While Safari is no paragon of customizability, Chrome and its derivatives are easily the worst in that regard. At least Safari lets you to customize its toolbar, which is more than Chrome allows.

> Chrome and its derivatives are easily the worst in that regard.

Vivaldi is indeed a paragon of customization.

Grandparent commenter was invoking Firefox, however.

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