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We’ve filed a law­suit chal­leng­ing Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion

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Re: We’ve filed a law­suit chal­leng­ing Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion

#101
The discussion here has been of a somewhat casual nature:

- expressing personal feelings about the lawsuit

- honestly sharing one's lack of understanding of the legal or technical issues involved

- making brief, unsubstantiated claims about the lawsuit's merits

- discussing HN response to this story (as this comment)

I was really looking forward to educating myself on this topic from the HN comments, but it appears I am out of luck. Why is this (currently #1) story not attracting posts from the many HN users who could offer detailed and insightful analysis? Is it considered a toxic or an overly-politicized topic that most people avoid? Or there's some other explanation I'm not seeing?

Re: We’ve filed a law­suit chal­leng­ing Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion

#102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe Copilot was giving exact copies of large parts open source projects, without the license. Are image generators giving exact (or very similar) copies of existing works? I feel like this is the main distinction.

> Are image generators giving exact (or very similar) copies of existing works? um, yes.[1][2] What else would they be trained on? According to the model card: [1] https://github.com/CompVis/stable-diffusion/blob/main/Stable... it was trained on this data set(which has hyperlinks to images, so feel free to peruse): [2] https://huggingface.co/datasets/laion/laion2B-en

> What else would they be trained on?

why does it matter how it was trained? The question is, does the generative AI _output_ copyrighted images?

Training is not a right that the copyright holder owns exclusively. Reproducing the works _is_, but if the AI only reproduces a style, but not a copy, then it isn't breaking any copyright.

Re: We’ve filed a law­suit chal­leng­ing Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol thinking about this more: I understand people’s livelihoods are potentially at stake, but what a shame it would be if we find AGI, even consciousness but have to shut it down because of a copyright dispute.

I think the result will be image sharing websites where you have to agree to have your image read into the model. I think it is likely github will do the same with copilot.

maybe a fair price to pay for free repo hosting. wouldn't want my private repos being used for training though

Re: We’ve filed a law­suit chal­leng­ing Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion

#104
“Hav­ing copied the five bil­lion images—with­out the con­sent of the orig­i­nal artists—Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion relies on a math­e­mat­i­cal process called dif­fu­sion to store com­pressed copies of these train­ing images, which in turn are recom­bined to derive other images.”

This seems like it’s not an accurate description of what diffusion is doing. A diffusion model is not the same as compression. They’re implying that Stable Diffusion is taking the entire dataset and making it smaller then storing it. Instead, it’s just learning patterns about the art and replicating those patterns.

The “compression” they’re referring to is the latent space representation which is how Stable Diffusion avoids having to manipulate large images during computation. I mean you could call it a form of compression, but the actual training images aren’t stored using that latent space in the final model afaik. So it's not compressing every single image and storing it in the model.

This page says there were 5 billion images in the stable diffusion training dataset (albeit that may not be true as I see online it’s closer to the 2 billion mark). A Stable Diffusion model is about 5 gb. 5 gb / 5 billion is 1 byte per image. That’s impossible to fit an image in 1 byte. Obviously the claim about it storing compressed copies of the training data is not true. The size of the file comes from the weights in it, not because it’s storing “compressed copies”. In general, it seems this lawsuit is misrepresenting how Stable Diffusion works on a technical level.

Re: We’ve filed a law­suit chal­leng­ing Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion

#105
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iirc it can be a problem copyright wise if I paint from a photo reference because it can infringe the photographers IP.

I dont think anyone can be sued for making a drawing of some photo. You can claim intellectual property for comic characters etc, but not photos. YOu could get someone to go get a similar photo taken at the same place, and use tools to enhance it

There is a somewhat popular lawsuit right now which argues exactly that (and is reported to go into the next instance): https://petapixel.com/2022/12/08/photographer-loses-plagaris...

Re: We’ve filed a law­suit chal­leng­ing Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion

#107

Why do we keep posting the same arguments over and over with these stories. It's like how humans learn. It contains chunks of copywriter material. What about copilot. Hackers don't respect artists. Yadda yadda. It's boring. I don't know the answer, but after reading the same things over and over I don't know if I trust myself to even have a valid opinion about it.

Well at least going to court over this should clarify the legal rights of the artists and the position of AI.

I can't see the artists winning.

Re: We’ve filed a law­suit chal­leng­ing Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That’s going to be hard to argue. Where are the copies? In fairness, Diffusion is arguably a very complex entropy coding similar to Arithmetic/Huffman coding. Given that copyright is protectable even on compressed/encrypted files, it seems fair that the “container of compressed bytes” (in this case the Diffusion model) does “contain” the original images no differently than a compressed folder of images contains the…

Great. Now the defence shows an artist that can recreate an image. Cool, now people who look at images get copyright suits filed against them for encoding those images in their heads.

Just because I look at an image does not mean that I can recreate it. storing it in the training data means the AI can recreate it.

There's a world of difference that you are just writing off.

Re: We’ve filed a law­suit chal­leng­ing Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion

#109

Good, using work for which an author has an active copyright as training data for an AI system, without their permission, should be illegal, and the sooner this gets resolved the better.

why should the right to be used as training material be exclusive to the owner of the copyright? That's more rights than initially granted by the laws of copyright.

A student can read/watch many works. Under this ruling, copyrighted works can no longer be learnt from by a student.

Re: We’ve filed a law­suit chal­leng­ing Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion

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“Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion con­tains unau­tho­rized copies of mil­lions—and pos­si­bly bil­lions—of copy­righted images.” That’s going to be hard to argue. Where are the copies? “Hav­ing copied the five bil­lion images—with­out the con­sent of the orig­i­nal artists—Sta­ble Dif­fu­sion relies on a math­e­mat­i­cal process called dif­fu­sion to store com­pressed copies of these train­ing images, which in turn are recom­bine…

You could make the same argument that as long as you are using lossy compression you are unable to infringe on copyright.

if it's sufficiently lossy, yeah. don't know where you draw the line tho. maybe similar to fair use video clips.
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