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ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

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Re: ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

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Post by Cipater »

vlunkr wrote: post #247
yamtaddle wrote: post #108

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Yep. Recording and photography killed almost all the value (social and financial) of middling artistic talent in music, storytelling, and visual arts, which may well have been what gave a lot of people a significant part of their sense of self-worth before that—plus, maybe, some income. Now AI's coming for most of those who survived that first culling. And not just the middling-talent folks this time.

On the other hand, this is a great opportunity for new artists to embrace AI and make a career out of it, instead of cowering in fear. There's a popular youtuber named Joel Haver who films videos, then uses an AI tool to convert them into animations, so they can be magically put into a space or fantasy setting. AI dungeon is an text adventure where the content is AI-generated. I also imagine tools similar to Github C…

>There's a popular youtuber named Joel Haver who films videos, then uses an AI tool to convert them into animations, so they can be magically put into a space or fantasy setting.

Hang on, AI tool? Joel Haver converts every frame manually. His method is the literal opposite of using an AI tool. It's incredibly painstaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq_KOmXyVDo

Re: ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

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Post by hansvm »

impulser_ wrote: post #85
101008 wrote: post #22

I agree with the article but maybe you are trying to do the wrong thing with ChatGPT. I am not a native English speaker (as many of you already noticed due to my grammar mistakes), so ChatGPT have been very useful to rewrite my texts, fix grammar and maybe "beautify" them a bit. It's has been an invaluable tool in that sense. I feel much more confident now sending emails and writing important messages knowing that th…

I personally like your original paragraph because it may not be perfect it has flavor. If everyone started using AI to fix their paragraph then text will become boring because it would all be of similar style. It would be like reading one long continuous book written by the same author. Imagine if restaurants all started using AI to cook their food. It would destroy the taste of food because no matter where you go th…

AI has lots of flaws, but that's not inherently one of them, and in the context of ChatGPT it explicitly is not one of them. It samples from a probability distribution, and with appropriate prompts it's actually fantastic at giving you a new recipe every night, or a dozen variations on a recipe theme, and you can tailor it to exactly the level of novelty you're expecting. Randomness by itself is not the human characteristic that the current batch of AI is lacking.

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Post by [deleted] »

jeremyjh wrote: post #314
moron4hire wrote: post #161

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For anything that isn't current events, that's basically Wikipedia for me.

I wonder if Wikipedia is also going to be destroyed by ChatGPT-like technologies. It is not hard to imagine a bot that writes its own "primary sources" (even comes up with good domain names to host them on), edits entries linking them, comments defending them etc until the torrent of bullshit is so thick that honest human editors are overwhelmed by the machines serving dull corporate and government propaganda interes…

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Post by anticensor »

kranke155 wrote: post #174
forgetfreeman wrote: post #167

Bullshit. This speaks less to the reality of the situation and more to the author's biases/myopia. Remember when Craigslist was just a quirky little website? Cheerleaders at the time dismissed the notion it threatened anything of value, then it basically killed the newspaper industry, which in turn bricked boots-on-the-ground journalism. Anyone feel like claiming nothing of value was lost there? We're talking about a…

Plus he's talking about This Version of ChatGPT. And it's not just ChatGPT that's happening - we are getting image generation, voice generation, code generation...

ChatGPT can already generate code.

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Post by visarga »

staticman2 wrote: post #338
fnordpiglet wrote: post #330

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I think that only holds true if : 1) there’s no editorial influence on the chatgpt content - I.e., sanity checking. 2) humans decide they don’t like writing any more, which given how many humans like to write seems unlikely 3) the chatgpt echo chamber doesn’t reinforce non-garbage and resonates in some way that diverges to garbage There’s also a weird assumption that humans don’t write a bunch of garbage as is.

I don't understand the claim that editorial influence will fix things when the above claim is Google can't distinguish between legit content and SEO garbage. Does google not have smart people working for them who can use editorial influence? As to point 2 , the argument is that, like with google search results the dataset will be corrupted and get worse, not that it won't contain some human written prose, so that's i…

>we can solve the problem of machine learning being based on bad bots by throwing more bots at it

Yes, you can solve dataset problems with models. Look at ConstitutionalAI from Anthropic. They only write a set of rules (the so called constitution) and the AI will derive a large dataset of demonstrations all by itself. This can do away with the RLHF stage where OpenAI has the best results so far, but costs money to label and is harder to update.

The model "Claude" from Anthropic is being discussed recently on Twitter

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Flyt8qiWIAEPwZl?format=jpg

Re: ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

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Post by vlunkr »

Cipater wrote: post #351
vlunkr wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, this is a great opportunity for new artists to embrace AI and make a career out of it, instead of cowering in fear. There's a popular youtuber named Joel Haver who films videos, then uses an AI tool to convert them into animations, so they can be magically put into a space or fantasy setting. AI dungeon is an text adventure where the content is AI-generated. I also imagine tools similar to Github C…

>There's a popular youtuber named Joel Haver who films videos, then uses an AI tool to convert them into animations, so they can be magically put into a space or fantasy setting. Hang on, AI tool? Joel Haver converts every frame manually. His method is the literal opposite of using an AI tool. It's incredibly painstaking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq_KOmXyVDo

Uh no. Did you watch the video you posted in full? He uses software called “ebsynth”. He draws over a couple of frames in a scene and feeds the rest to the software, which attempts to match the style. It’s not perfect, which is why you see some weird glitches in the videos.

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Post by DoctorOW »

LegitShady wrote: post #172
DoctorOW wrote: post #6

I'm by no means a professional writer per se, but I've been paid for work that involves writing. Because of this, a version of ChatGPT that could do my writing for me would be helpful. In my admittedly half-hearted attempts, I've really struggled to recreate anything close to what I wrote.

why would it help you? it would just replace you in those opportunities entirely.

As I said, writing is a small part of the job. I wrote for video and produced those videos. Half the time it'd be multiple videos from one script (interviewing different people with the same questions). I guess maybe a "prompt engineer" could just copy and paste ChatGPT answering its own questions into wherever but that's not going to be a comparable product to actually setting up a professional interview setup and asking a subject questions.

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

brickteacup wrote: post #168
tetraodonpuffer wrote: post #74

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Trading quality for price has been happening everywhere for long enough that it is easy to see how unfortunately it will now play out in the arts as well. I mean, not that long ago all clothes you wore were custom made by a tailor, all the music you listened to was played live by musicians, all stories were brought to life in front of you by theatre actors: now all of those while still available are significantly mor…

> all the music you listened to was played live by musicians, all stories were brought to life in front of you by theatre actors well, no, you probably didn't listen to much music or see many stories at all because the average person couldn't afford to experience such things more than a few times in their life. shocking that Luddites are still a thing in the 21st century, especially here.

It always amuses me when people on Hacker News use Luddite in the pejorative "caveman" sense of the word instead of the actual "skeptical of the societal drawbacks of advancing technology" sense, especially since people on this site like you effect an air of being so much smarter than the average pleb.

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

bolasanibk wrote: post #178
jerf wrote: post #150

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Also have to consider the kicking of the ladder away. Nobody gets to excellent without passing through the lower stages. Hard to stay motivated if it'll be 5 years just to see if maybe you have something a computer can't offer. Not impossible, but definitely a raising of the bar.

This. How are people going to learn/become better if all the base work is being done by an AI. Reminds of the Empire in Asimov's Foundation where they knew just enough to keep the current tech running, but not enough to fix it if something major breaks or create new tech. When the AI breaks something, we will be missing the people who knew how all this s$%T works.

The Machine Stops eventually.

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Post by spaniard89277 »

sandinmyjoints wrote: post #336
rfwhyte wrote: post #280

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The secret here is that for the majority of companies, the goal is not to support you as a customer effectively, but to rather minimize the amount of time spent organization wide supporting ALL customers. So to that end the automated systems are about frustrating customers to the point that they'll just "Go away" and the voice based systems are more frustrating than the button based ones, and infinitely more frustrat…

I've wondered why companies don't auction top places in line. If they're going to have people queuing, why not attempt to extract some money from them? Implementing such a system and selling it seems like a possible business idea for someone who believes this is a nicely utilitarian solution.

It doesn't matter that much because the human on the other side is not provided with the tools and information needed to help you.

Customer service, be it commercial or tech support, is always treated horribly.

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