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Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by twawaaay »

_kulang wrote: post #24
thewizardofaus wrote: post #10

Covid fatigue is no joke. As an Elite Athlete I'm training 20-30 hours a week. I got covid last year (triple vaxed) and it wiped me out for a good 6 months. It took me 3 weeks to be able to walk longer than a minute without needing to lay down for the rest of the day and sleep. I have dealt with fatigue problems for 6 months and only just now, do I feel like I'm getting "back to normal". The most frustrating thing is…

Similar experience — and interestingly it can be seen in my resting heart rate over time and VO2 inference on my watch. The acute fatigue was quite bad (and is what people seem to talk about) but the milder lingering fatigue reduced my running and lifting performance across the board and left me tired in the late afternoon rather than the evening. It’s not life altering per se, but it impacted my routines and product…

Resting heart rate and HRV are super useful. In my case, I knew I was going to be sick before I felt symptoms just from the sleep data.

On Garmin you can indicate you are sick and it will stop your poor training from disrupting your VO2 inference.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by misnome »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #29
squidsoup wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Significantly worse than the flu - multi systemic organ damage. The narrative that covid is like the flu, is both wildly inaccurate as this paper explains, and also dangerous, leading to a more cavalier attitude towards covid prevention.

I have had Covid at least 2 times and influenza once in the last 2 or 3 years. The influenza is the one that knocked me on my ass and sent me to the doctor thinking I might have something more wrong with me. Covid was meh, not worse than any other sickness the toddlers bring home.

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Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by kazinator »

squidsoup wrote: post #12
roenxi wrote: post #5

As always, it is difficult to assess this sort of thing without a reference to the flu. As far as I can tell, in daily life we are continuously encountering people with various chronic problems and systemically under-calling the impact of them. It is a total coincidence if a body is functioning at full capacity. If COVID increases the hazard ratios there isn't much I can do. As far as I can tell, everyone is going to…

Significantly worse than the flu - multi systemic organ damage. The narrative that covid is like the flu, is both wildly inaccurate as this paper explains, and also dangerous, leading to a more cavalier attitude towards covid prevention.

There was a flu pandemic 100 years ago which killed 21 million.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by zzzeek »

_kulang wrote: post #24
thewizardofaus wrote: post #10

Covid fatigue is no joke. As an Elite Athlete I'm training 20-30 hours a week. I got covid last year (triple vaxed) and it wiped me out for a good 6 months. It took me 3 weeks to be able to walk longer than a minute without needing to lay down for the rest of the day and sleep. I have dealt with fatigue problems for 6 months and only just now, do I feel like I'm getting "back to normal". The most frustrating thing is…

Similar experience — and interestingly it can be seen in my resting heart rate over time and VO2 inference on my watch. The acute fatigue was quite bad (and is what people seem to talk about) but the milder lingering fatigue reduced my running and lifting performance across the board and left me tired in the late afternoon rather than the evening. It’s not life altering per se, but it impacted my routines and product…

I had very mild COVID in September and I totally have this problem . I have a constant urge to just go to sleep and have been afternoon napping fairly often, compared to my previous habits of never napping ever. I'm hopeful that most people talk about it lifting after six months

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by textbookrental »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #30
thewizardofaus wrote: post #10

Covid fatigue is no joke. As an Elite Athlete I'm training 20-30 hours a week. I got covid last year (triple vaxed) and it wiped me out for a good 6 months. It took me 3 weeks to be able to walk longer than a minute without needing to lay down for the rest of the day and sleep. I have dealt with fatigue problems for 6 months and only just now, do I feel like I'm getting "back to normal". The most frustrating thing is…

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Or very worth it I guess.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by Godel_unicode »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #30
thewizardofaus wrote: post #10

Covid fatigue is no joke. As an Elite Athlete I'm training 20-30 hours a week. I got covid last year (triple vaxed) and it wiped me out for a good 6 months. It took me 3 weeks to be able to walk longer than a minute without needing to lay down for the rest of the day and sleep. I have dealt with fatigue problems for 6 months and only just now, do I feel like I'm getting "back to normal". The most frustrating thing is…

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Hard to know that without knowing what would have happened otherwise, yeah?

This was not the worst possible result.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by raybb »

crims0n wrote: post #2

Interesting that they classify loss of smell as a neurological symptom. I had Covid last January and my sense of smell has never been the same. I used to be able to walk into a room, flair my nostrils, and pick up everything from the couch, carpet, and curtains… to the subtle cool drafts from the windows and fireplace. Now everything has completely dulled out, and I only occasionally pick up those old scents in passi…

Have you looked into smell training?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smell_training

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by oaktrout »

soderfoo wrote: post #4

Unease and woe are the two feelings I'm left with after my quick layman reading of the article. Think I am most concerned with the reproductive implications, which seem under researched. Coupled with the unrelated decline in sperm count the past decade... I'm hoping my ruminations are just me catastrophizing. Can anyone more medically and scientifically literate provide some context to temper my doom and gloom?

Covid infection outcomes exist on a continuum from death to harmless. There is also "long-flu", and I'm sure there are persistent responses to other respiratory viruses, so long covid isn't totally novel.

If you're scared for your health the best thing you can do is be healthy, eat right, exercise, don't smoke, etc.

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by javierluraschi »

I was an early adopter of long COVID before it could be properly diagnosed, if I could ask for something, it would be to spread awareness for those who are still suffering.

The hardest part was, by far, feeling like I was making it all up, I felt a tremendous relief when I got diagnosed.

For me, it lasted almost a year, but I can say that I was lucky to fully recover.

There is a bit more info from my personal experience in this post: https://www.geekwire.com/2021/veteran-software-engineer-laun...

Re: Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms and recommendations

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Post by abracadaniel »

weaksauce wrote: post #23
stubish wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As far as I can tell, everyone is going to get COVID This is a common feeling, but remember: You can greatly affect the probability of an infection through precautions. And if unlucky, you can greatly affect the number of times you get infected through precautions. Fewer infections, fewer rolls of the dice. As far as I'm aware, I'm still infection free and hope to remain so. I am in a much better situation than mos…

> And if unlucky, you can greatly affect the number of times you get infected through precautions. not to mention that even if you do get sick it's a continuum of sickness. you can get a little sick by getting a little bit of the virus and having an immune system that can handle that with ease. you can have the same immune system but spent too much time with your SO that got covid and was giving you a huge viral load…

This is something that I never thought about before, and is unfortunately glossed over too often. We’re exposed to things all the time, but only get sick when the exposure is large enough to sufficiently overwhelm our innate immune system. The degree to which it is overwhelmed correlates strongly the the severity of the subsequent illness. Reducing exposure time, or exposure volume via air dilution or filtration can make a massive difference.
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