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Re: Ask HN: Do you hate software engineering but love programming?

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>most people stuck in unhappy marriages are men That is wildly untrue. The research on whether men or women are more satisfied in their marriages shows that they have about the same levels of satisfaction. For example: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jomf.12077 Not really sure why the demographics of philosophers effects the impact of the statement. Most philosophers are white, would it have been more imp…

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Re: Ask HN: Do you hate software engineering but love programming?

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> I have come to a realization that I don't really enjoy Software Engineering(& the processes that it comes with) but I do love programming & solving problems. I can almost guarantee that you’re just at the wrong company. Some software companies can turn even the simplest tasks into a grueling series of processes, endless meetings, and joint work across a big number of “stakeholders”. These companies will take the jo…

1000x times this. It's a weird thing our profession. There's a horrible but apt (misogynistic even) saying. Happily married men are happy husbands - Unhappily married men are great philosophers. I really feel agile has killed the happiness of our industry because it's met with a lot of back and forth, meetings, rituals, and meta-work and not actual productivity (If agile is done well though it can be amazing but that…

> I really feel agile has killed the happiness of our industry because it's met with a lot of back and forth, meetings, rituals, and meta-work and not actual productivity

Agile was created to beat exactly those things that you are mentioning. Then Agile became big, enterprise became aware of it and smothered it with their rituals, processes and bureaucracy. And now we're back where we started again.

Re: Ask HN: Do you hate software engineering but love programming?

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I feel similarly. What I've found is that the way companies are structured the software engineers are usually in some sort of software department. I try to aim for roles outside of that department, like a software engineer embedded in some group that's more directly tied to the application.

I've found that if I'm in the software department, the performance review and metrics and overall culture lean towards "how good of a software developer/engineer are you?" as opposed to "how good are you at solving the business's problem."

That said, it's tough to make progress outside of the software org. Personally I'm doing a masters in math right now and thinking about a PhD in it as well, because I need skills outside of software in order to be able to make programming part of my job but not my career.

Re: Ask HN: Do you hate software engineering but love programming?

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There's a slight implication because it only covers men that women are the source of unhappiness (e.g. the nagging wife trope), but I agree it's trivial and likely unintentional. Agree with sibling, just as applicable as "happy married people are happy partners, unhappily married people are great philosophers".

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I broadly agree with your point, but then you decided to search for quotes that apparently support your argument, and you picked... Schopenhauer, in a discussion about misogyny and marriage, which is pretty hilarious.

Re: Ask HN: Do you hate software engineering but love programming?

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Unfortunately you are saying "I like doing the fun part of software but not the not so fun." Maybe look for a company that needs or uses software to enable their product but does not sell software or software services. Or find an area where software is not well established and is just beginning to be integrated into the business.

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> Was Aristotle misogynistic? Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle%27s_views_on_women

The introductory paragraph makes it seem like the extent of your claim is he noticed the same behavioral trend as most psychology surveys:

> Among women's differences from men were that they were, in his view, more impulsive, more compassionate, more complaining, and more deceptive. He gave the same weight to women's happiness as to men's, and in his Rhetoric stated that society could not be happy unless women were happy too.

And the modern psychology:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161011-do-men-and-women...

I think you’re really stretching the word “misogyny” when you’re using it for people who accurately describe reality and view male and female well-being as equally important for society.

Re: Ask HN: Do you hate software engineering but love programming?

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"I like a few languages and I am not too keen on learning new paradigms or languages unless I have to"

You're in the wrong job.

A developer has to keep on top of tech industry or they'll become a dinosaur early and find trouble getting work after you lose your job (just ask Java devs who steadfastly refuse to move off anything but Java 8).

Firefighting issues ("incidence response") due to lack of software engineering is not enjoyable when you've just manually deployed to production from your desktop computer and put the wrong build on that has migrated a prod db schema used by millions of people to one that isn't compatible with the rollback version of the software. And you'll be fixing it across your holiday and weekends.

There's a reason these processes are in place - and its to stop the wild west cowboyisms bringing down the company.

Re: Ask HN: Do you hate software engineering but love programming?

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Software engineering vs programming? Sounds to me like work vs hobby dilemma. I love programming but I hate doing documentation, non-conclusive/watered-down meetings, seeking consensus with 10+ people and scrum master "friendly advice". Nevertheless I am doing that because I _got paid_.

As other people suggested you may consider switching to a green field project. Usually when there is a new product to write, you don't have a legacy code baggage and business is usually pushing for fast delivery and iteration. There is a lot of freedom, as long as you can deliver a working solution. Startup would be a good choice about 3 years ago, today I would advise to be more careful when changing jobs now.

Re: Ask HN: Do you hate software engineering but love programming?

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SE should be one of those "if it's not fun, you're doing it wrong" things no?

alternatively, consider that it's just a minor component of programming in general: it doesn't deserve to be called a field: just like "using sandpaper" is just one of many activities within the profession of carpentry.

we do SE in order to program.

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