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ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

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Re: ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

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It’s gonna kill the internet as a place to find useful information. Google is already almost unusable for researching any topic that’s even adjacent to anything that can be monetized. Widespread, good-enough, AI-generated, SEO’d “articles” will push it over the edge.

TBH, I'm wondering if we need to start using yahoo style curated content directories again. Content aggregators like reddit, hacker news and lobsters already help filter out a lot of noise, but they focus on recent articles. It would be nice to have a searchable/browsable source for interesting content. It wouldn't contain the full internet, but at least it would have better relevancy.

I use Google restricted to these sites, or, in HN's case, just the HN Algolia.

Re: ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

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post #125

> it would easily receive the maximum score a 5, particularly given the fact that the AP graders do not pay any attention to whether or not the content of the answer is accurate or true I'm not familiar with the US education system. Is that last point true, or sarcasm?

What's being discussed is some sort of literature exam.

I'm not familiar with this exam but if I said "Flowers represent fertility (because they are pollinated)" and a classmate says "Flowers represent gravity (since they fall)" it shouldn't really be evaluated for accuracy, just how well we made our argument since we're not really discussing facts.

Re: ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the same worry. Another example: Is furniture nowadays more beautiful and durable than it used to be 100 years ago? Is there more variety now? Not in my book. Same goes for a lot of products that are now produced in the cheapest way possible at scale. Looks very much like a race to the bottom dominated by a few big players to me. Consumers don't seem to care that much.

There's absolutely beautiful and durable furniture available, it's just a lot more expensive than Ikea. There's a local place that makes furniture on-demand; as far as I can tell, the quality is great, but we're talking $8–10k for a dining table. That segment of the market still exists and I don't see it going anywhere. Cheap, mass-produced furniture has taken the bottom of the market but there really is a wide varie…

See Japan, it will go out at one stage, these are hard jobs with low margin and returns. Quality of raw materials is going down too

Re: ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

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One of the problems that I have with the "AI might replace some menial jobs, but people should aspire to bigger and better things" argument is that a lot of menial jobs are training for those bigger and better things.

"Sure, ChatGPT can write some basic code, but it can't come up with creative solutions like I can." Yeah, that's true. But how did I get to the point of being able to make creative solutions? Years of working in the trenches, learning all the ins and outs of how to code and not over-engineer that college never even had a hope of teaching me.

Yes, nobody wants a life-long career developing formulaic CRUD apps, or writing catalog product descriptions, or making logos for every tom-dick-or-harry consulting shop with delusions of grandeur. But if you want to become a skilled developer, writer, or designer, you kinda need to grind through a lot of this bullshit work to grow a sense of taste to be any good at the higher-level work.

So what happens when we cut off that pipeline of junior jobs? It's going to happen, and it's going to happen from the bottom, up. We're not going to see big corporations take risks on trying AI software developers when they have thousands of resumes of the best undergrads to sift through every month. We're going to see it from the companies on the fringe, who couldn't afford to hire even a junior developer. They're going to take a low-risk chance because the alternative is just not do the work at all. And they'll prove out the model and 20 years later the only people who understand the basics anymore will be more interested in management positions than writing yet another Django app, and 20 more years later they'll be retiring with nobody else coming in behind them.

Re: ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

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I'm less worried about stuff like ChatGPT killing things off, but more about just making everything noticeably a bit worse. To take an analogy: bad voice recognition software abounds everywhere, not because it is better than what it replaced in terms of UX, but because it works just enough and allows massive cost-savings on hiring people to do customer service jobs. A world where most marketing copy is written by med…

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Re: ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

#157

It’s gonna kill the internet as a place to find useful information. Google is already almost unusable for researching any topic that’s even adjacent to anything that can be monetized. Widespread, good-enough, AI-generated, SEO’d “articles” will push it over the edge.

Then don't use Google, use a paid search engine like Kagi or others

With Google you are the product

Re: ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

#158

It’s gonna kill the internet as a place to find useful information. Google is already almost unusable for researching any topic that’s even adjacent to anything that can be monetized. Widespread, good-enough, AI-generated, SEO’d “articles” will push it over the edge.

TBH, I'm wondering if we need to start using yahoo style curated content directories again. Content aggregators like reddit, hacker news and lobsters already help filter out a lot of noise, but they focus on recent articles. It would be nice to have a searchable/browsable source for interesting content. It wouldn't contain the full internet, but at least it would have better relevancy.

That's a good idea for a side project, thx!

Re: ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

#159

ChatGPT is trained on the internet corpus written by humans. Over time, more and more of this corpus will be written by ChatGPT. Has anyone tested what happens when the output of a LLM is fed back as the training data?

It was not a language model, but AlphaZero played against itself millions of games and trained on the data it generated, without seeing any human games. And it reached super human level, of course.

Why was this possible? The game itself acted as an anti-bullshit filter. So you can train on your own generated data if you filter it.

Like this one: Large Language Models Can Self Improve

https://arxiv.org/abs/2210.11610

Re: ChatGPT Can't Kill Anything Worth Preserving

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long until all conversations will start looking like they're authored by the same person?

It’s already getting that way with things like grammarly. It makes me sad. I know my colleagues who speak English as an additional language use it and find it helpful, but I much prefer whatever English they speak with be the same when they write. It makes engagement more interesting

Grammarly is very limited in what it allows you stylistically. I tried it for a few months but it didn't let me express all of my thoughts. However muddled and confused, those are my muddled thoughts, damnit.
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