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Re: Ask HN: We found a cracked version of our software on the web, now what?

#21
Make a blogpost talking about this, say you won't pursue users who pirate, but you hope that once they realize the value you provide they come to purchase the real thing.

Demonizing and chasing people who pirate will only work against you, just like it happens with gaming.

Consider the pirate version a "trial" for people who are considering whether to buy the official version. Again, many with gaming do this.

Don't feel bad. In all seriousness, piracy is probably helping you spread the word and get people to try your project.

Re: Ask HN: We found a cracked version of our software on the web, now what?

#22
post #19

Double down efforts to survey users and potential users. Keep making the product better. Consider the pirate option as a competitor. Don’t demonize your user base, but don’t be afraid to go after any institution you know is using pirated version. Build multiple telemetry code paths in your code — if you can just get IP addresses of offenders you’ll have way more info than now.

It's a matter of course to firewall all Networking of all DLLs in Illicitly Downloaded applications

Re: Ask HN: We found a cracked version of our software on the web, now what?

#23
post #6

Subscription based licensing can be really useful for getting legitimate users who can't fork over a thousand dollars at once. IMO Adobe creative cloud is a great example of this working out well.

Unfortunately it also generates negative press on social media from frustrated users, and people who avoid subscriptions will avoid the product. But if you're an already established market leader that doesn't care, then subscriptions are fine.

Re: Ask HN: We found a cracked version of our software on the web, now what?

#24

I’d suggest taking a page from Adobe and Microsoft. They fight pirating, and that prevents it from becoming absolutely endemic, but they don’t really lose massive amounts of sleep over the cracks, because every cracked copy is training people to use their software. Sort of “The Old Dope Peddler” model. It’s not really correct to assume every cracked copy is a lost sale. Instead, think of it as indoctrination of possi…

Even be cheeky. Detect when the software is cracked (signature/binary hash changed) and message the user “we see your version is corrupt or cracked, you may want to reinstall. If you are using this software without paying for it ”. You can invest some time in obfuscation and more frequent releases, but I would not spend a lot of effort on it.

Also a note about the dangers of cracked software. There could be malware, viruses, etc. The value becomes much smaller to use something that could ransomware your system.

Then, cracked software becomes free advertising!

Re: Ask HN: We found a cracked version of our software on the web, now what?

#25

I’d suggest taking a page from Adobe and Microsoft. They fight pirating, and that prevents it from becoming absolutely endemic, but they don’t really lose massive amounts of sleep over the cracks, because every cracked copy is training people to use their software. Sort of “The Old Dope Peddler” model. It’s not really correct to assume every cracked copy is a lost sale. Instead, think of it as indoctrination of possi…

Even be cheeky. Detect when the software is cracked (signature/binary hash changed) and message the user “we see your version is corrupt or cracked, you may want to reinstall. If you are using this software without paying for it ”. You can invest some time in obfuscation and more frequent releases, but I would not spend a lot of effort on it.

You could always do the Windows 10 Activation model.

If you don't activate Windows 10, you have no ability to personalize your PC (change wallpaper, colors, Lock Screen image, etc.) But you can still use it - which makes it annoying, but still functional.

After a few weeks without activating, it also adds an always-visible watermark warning to "Activate your PC." But it still lets you use it.

Perhaps the OP could do similar. Where... he has his standard system of copy protection, but then adds additional checks that stamp watermarks on printed documents, or show a watermark about illegal copy, doesn't allow adding business information to documents, so forth...

Maybe that's even the trial version. Always free, forever - but certain features disabled and lots of watermarks.

Re: Ask HN: We found a cracked version of our software on the web, now what?

#26
post #6

Subscription based licensing can be really useful for getting legitimate users who can't fork over a thousand dollars at once. IMO Adobe creative cloud is a great example of this working out well.

It's really not, Creative Cloud is the most pirated software suite in the world, and the company that makes it is almost universally hated by its customers.

Re: Ask HN: We found a cracked version of our software on the web, now what?

#27
post #8

You might consider offering more free or cheap versions, like a student edition (cheap with no proof required) and a free trial. Wolfram, for instance, does both. Not many real companies will cheat, and it's better to have users who can't pay using an official version than a cracked one. Perhaps they start using it in an un-funded skunkworks project, then buy a full license when the project gets funded.

This shows that you have never dealt with companies in 3rd world countries. When money is tight, which is always in those countries, there is not a cheap-enough price that you can make them pay. They want the benefit of the product but they do nit want to pay anything for it. So, a free trial version in those places, will turn into a perpetual "free" trial. Same for "no proof needed" student/academic versions. Unfort…

Maybe one of your main revenue sources shouldn't be trying to squeeze already cash strapped 3rd world entrepreneurs

Re: Ask HN: We found a cracked version of our software on the web, now what?

#28
These aren’t your customers.

The user who is willing to stomach the time and risks associated with cracked software is NOT your target market anyway.

This is essentially a free trial program for “aspirational users” who will circulate it for you.

I’ve had my software (games) pirated, and been a pirate in my youth. Now I wouldn’t consider pirating because I have more money than time now. I suspect your actual addressable market is in the same boat.

The worst thing you can do is add draconian copy protection that adds friction to your product for actual paying users.

Re: Ask HN: We found a cracked version of our software on the web, now what?

#29
Congratulations! Having cracked versions out there indicates that your software is both useful and notable, which is a point where many developers would love to arrive at, maybe, one day.

As to what to do about it, there are two basic tracks, neither of which is incompatible with the other:

1. The legal route: notifying distribution sites that they're hosting content in violation of copyright law, requesting takedown, and if required, demanding such (with a DMCA notice or similar). If a distributor is unresponsive to both, DMCA Google, Bing, etc. to at least suppress the cracks in most search results;

2. Having some fun with it: make sure that a special page on your own site becomes the #1 search engine result for " crack" and similar. On this page, put a human face on your pricing, explain the available discounts, and finally offer to supply a free registration key to anyone that truly wants it, so they don't have to download all kinds of shady binaries. Of course, any such free keys don't come with support and display a prominent PIRATED VERSION notice in all window captions, printed outputs, et cetera, but you disclose all of that upfront and explain how that's a small price to pay...

But above all, make sure not to confuse a "pirated copy" with a "lost sale". In 99% of cases, the Venn diagram of those has very little overlapping area.

Re: Ask HN: We found a cracked version of our software on the web, now what?

#30

Way back in the day I was involved in cracking software that I needed to use and would share the keygens etc with other groups. Like many posts here say, I couldnt afford licenses. It's an arms race and the best thing you can do is redesign your activation process. There are certain ways to do this that make it increasingly difficult to get around it. It's like computer security in a way... You cant ultimately solve…

Were you also doing demo-scene for your cracks ?
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