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The gas industry is paying Instagram influencers to gush over gas stoves (2020)

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Post by smileysteve »

ufmace wrote: post #64
resoluteteeth wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? The reason people have been talking about stopping use of gas stoves is that they put out pollution inside people's homes, which is pretty separate from the overall dialogue about fossil fuels or how to heat homes.

Since when is there pollution inside homes from gas stoves? How have all of the millions of gas stove users been cooking multiple meals with them on a daily basis and nobody noticed this supposed pollution?

Because establishing a direct link to childhood athsma takes many data points, especially with a dirty sample group, such as parents who may or may not have had athsma also caused by gas stoves.

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Post by nightski »

The vast majority of the electricity in our state comes from coal plants. I am all for slowly switching to electric in hopes of greener sources in the future, but if we all do it right now it would arguably be worse for the environment.

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Post by WithinReason »

treeman79 wrote: post #65
hermannj314 wrote: post #62

Who is pushing to ban gas stoves? First it was adding catalytic converters in cars, then regulating tobacco, banning asbestos, removing contaminants from drinking water. It never stops. This is nothing more than one more rung in a decades long campaign of using the democratic process to hold companies accountable for pollutants and slowly improve the health and well-being of millions of Americans. Sure, air is cleane…

The president is pushing this

I often see people writing responses without even reading the post they are responding to. Why not read more than the 1st sentence?

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Post by smileysteve »

0xblood wrote: post #57

Looks like somebody is _really_ running a campaign against gas. It's fine if you like induction, like it's fine if you like Apple products. Just leave me alone about it, will you?

It might be more akin to smoking; cooking with gas at home, buy a rider to insur your health insurance and that of your kids for respiratory disorders.

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Post by WithinReason »

stephen_g wrote: post #79
bob1029 wrote: post #49

The respiratory argument I really don't understand with specific regard to gas vs electric cooking. I don't care if my range is powered by alien technology that magically sequesters carbon somewhere else - When you heat something above a certain temperature, you are producing all kinds of chemical compounds that are not going to be good for you. It doesn't really matter how the mass was brought to that temperature. T…

I don’t think that’s true. The worry is the NOx emissions (that is a combustion product from the foams, not from cooking), the amount being produced by gas stoves which was previously under-appreciated until recently. Studies I’ve seen indicate that most domestic rangehoods (apart from the very high end ones) are not sufficient to effectively remove these gas combustion products.

The point still stands, the NO2 emission might be negligible compared to simple food emissions. From personal experience, preheating an (electric) oven to high temperature seems to result in lung irritation for days if I forget to turn on the extraction hood.

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Post by illegalsmile »

thedougd wrote: post #74
hospadar wrote: post #31

Induction maaaan! Switched from gas to induction and love it. I miss my stove every time i have to cook elsewhere. Mine is pretty much the cheapest induction range on the market (and i bought it used). Heats up way faster than gas (WAY FASTER, will get cast iron glowing if i leave an empty cast iron on the stove for a while at the highest setting), low/medium control is excellent and precise, and i really appreciate…

I have envy. I'm only one year into my second home with a gas range and I'm over it. It has excellent control (compared to traditional electric), however I find the rest of it frustrating. Any grease splatter and I'm removing and cleaning grates, surfaces, and caps. There are burners that are slower to light than others, so I'm regularly fiddling with cleaning out the orifices. I'll consider moving to induction after…

I remodeled my house and put in a gas line but also upgraded the electrical to the stove outlet so it would take any modern range. I went with gas because induction was relatively new, relatively expensive and I had never used it. Then youtubers started using induction hot plates, then my neighbors bought an induction stove and I was sold. You mentioned the biggest downside for me and that's the cleaning aspect with the grates. My grates are some sort of rugged cast steel so they tear up my scrubby pads, they don't fit in my sink well and all it takes is a couple days of cooking to create a mess on all surfaces of the range.

Just this morning I was making tea, looking at the stove and thinking to myself "gdi I have to clean this thing again." Even when I stay on top of it the ease of cleaning is nothing like wiping down a flat glass surface.

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Post by ryandvm »

hermannj314 wrote: post #62

Who is pushing to ban gas stoves? First it was adding catalytic converters in cars, then regulating tobacco, banning asbestos, removing contaminants from drinking water. It never stops. This is nothing more than one more rung in a decades long campaign of using the democratic process to hold companies accountable for pollutants and slowly improve the health and well-being of millions of Americans. Sure, air is cleane…

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Post by bryanlarsen »

rsynnott wrote: post #40
api wrote: post #5

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The makers of high power battery stoves maybe? For those who don't know these are stoves that have on board batteries allowing them to generate, for a period of time, far more heat than an ordinary house circuit would be able to power. This replicates some of the advantages of gas. But honestly I think the ban gas stoves thing is brought to you by the same people who gave us bans on plastic straws. "Let's maximally i…

Gas stoves aren't a significant _environmental_ problem, certainly in terms of CO2 (in fact, unless your electricity is almost entirely renewable or nuclear, they're probably marginally better than electric from a CO2 perspective). There is a concern that they're a health risk, though (though the evidence that there's a large effect is somewhat weak). Personally, I like my gas stove, though I expect to have to adapt…

A CCGT is about 60% efficient, and an induction stove is about 3x as efficient as a gas stove. So cooking directly with gas uses over 50% more gas than cooking on an induction top using electricity generated from gas.

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Post by 082349872349872 »

rolenthedeep wrote: post #32

I can't help but think this gas stove thing is a distraction being propped up by the government, but I can't figure out what they're trying to distract from

three (by no means exhaustive) possibilities:

(a) https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-na... et.al.?

(b) any suggestion that the US is neither colour-blind nor all middle-class?

(c) the quaint custom of an electoral college?

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Post by throwaway22032 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #71
throwaway22032 wrote: post #27

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Isn't this just a requirement for a kitchen? You cannot fry indoors without ventilation unless you enjoy choking on smoke. Neither can you boil indoors without ventilation unless you enjoy coating everything in the room with moisture. The combustion of a gas stove IME is a smaller contributor to ventilation requirements than both of the above. Maybe the moisture one is less relevant in low humidity environments like…

> Isn't this just a requirement for a kitchen? Not in the US at the federal level. Some states have code requirements about it. My house lacks one, which is annoying when I'm searing steaks, and I plan to rectify it when we redo the kitchen.

Sure, I guess what I'm saying is - it's daft to limit this to gas stoves.

I don't particularly agree with making it a legal requirement either way, but if it is, then it's a cooking thing.

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