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The gas industry is paying Instagram influencers to gush over gas stoves (2020)

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Re: The gas industry is paying Instagram influencers to gush over gas stoves (2020)

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Post by yetihehe »

api wrote: post #5
h2odragon wrote: post #2

So who is paying for this week's "gas stoves should be banned" PR push, then?

The makers of high power battery stoves maybe? For those who don't know these are stoves that have on board batteries allowing them to generate, for a period of time, far more heat than an ordinary house circuit would be able to power. This replicates some of the advantages of gas. But honestly I think the ban gas stoves thing is brought to you by the same people who gave us bans on plastic straws. "Let's maximally i…

> For those who don't know these are stoves that have on board batteries allowing them to generate, for a period of time, far more heat than an ordinary house circuit would be able to power.

Depends on ordinarity of a house. My ordinary house has 3phase power and my pretty cheap induction stove outperforms all gas stoves I had. When I was living in a flat, I only had single phase power, but 4kW should still be enough for a stove. In USA you typically only have 110V (or 220v for those daring), so anything electric is straining your circuit breakers.

Re: The gas industry is paying Instagram influencers to gush over gas stoves (2020)

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Post by throwaway22032 »

CalRobert wrote: post #10
throwaway22032 wrote: post #6

I open the window and turn on the extractor fan when I use my gas hob. It uses a fraction of the fuel that my car does. Easily less than 10%. Frying on an electric hob is hardly good for your lungs either. This is just rage porn.

But you don't operate your vehicle indoors I assume.

Sure, I'm addressing both air quality and carbon emissions in the same comment.

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Post by cinntaile »

api wrote: post #5
h2odragon wrote: post #2

So who is paying for this week's "gas stoves should be banned" PR push, then?

The makers of high power battery stoves maybe? For those who don't know these are stoves that have on board batteries allowing them to generate, for a period of time, far more heat than an ordinary house circuit would be able to power. This replicates some of the advantages of gas. But honestly I think the ban gas stoves thing is brought to you by the same people who gave us bans on plastic straws. "Let's maximally i…

I don't think this is similar to the plastic straws at all. The focus for banning gas stoves is on the (respiratory) health issues associated with gas cooking of the household. It is not about climate change.

Re: The gas industry is paying Instagram influencers to gush over gas stoves (2020)

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Post by XorNot »

yetihehe wrote: post #21
api wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The makers of high power battery stoves maybe? For those who don't know these are stoves that have on board batteries allowing them to generate, for a period of time, far more heat than an ordinary house circuit would be able to power. This replicates some of the advantages of gas. But honestly I think the ban gas stoves thing is brought to you by the same people who gave us bans on plastic straws. "Let's maximally i…

> For those who don't know these are stoves that have on board batteries allowing them to generate, for a period of time, far more heat than an ordinary house circuit would be able to power. Depends on ordinarity of a house. My ordinary house has 3phase power and my pretty cheap induction stove outperforms all gas stoves I had. When I was living in a flat, I only had single phase power, but 4kW should still be enough…

The US has 240VAC though it's just not a common household appliance circuit. My induction cooktop (in Australia) draws 7kW and is supplied by a dedicated 20A circuit for it (because that's what you over-spec the wiring too).

It was put in to replace a gas cooktop which was there when we bought the house, and vastly out-performs that unit in speed and heat output.

If you converted you'd be pulling a dedicated circuit through anyway - no one's tying induction cooktops off to just whatever line you already have.

The one area gas can be better is if you're doing wok cooking, but that's more to do with how wok's are shaped and heat up then any limitation on the ability to get heat into them (I've not been able to find one of the adapters which apparently exists to solve this).

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Post by pclmulqdq »

rs999gti wrote: post #14
mikrl wrote: post #7

It’s politicized too which is ridiculous. I’ve seen takes that being pro gas cookery is right-wing. Yes, it’s obvious that gas heat and cooking could cause respiratory issues due to combustion. As a gourmand though, cooking on a gas range is the best experience wrt temp control and convenience. I prefer an electric oven, and the heating system I’m impartial to, though radiant hot water is what I fondly remember from…

Are any right wing EU, US, or CA parties supporting the gas stove ban or is just lefties and greenies doing it?

That's not the point - only a few loonies on the left are pushing it. Most of the left and the right are opposed. That makes it not a left/right issue.

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Post by Philorandroid »

fvdessen wrote: post #20
api wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The makers of high power battery stoves maybe? For those who don't know these are stoves that have on board batteries allowing them to generate, for a period of time, far more heat than an ordinary house circuit would be able to power. This replicates some of the advantages of gas. But honestly I think the ban gas stoves thing is brought to you by the same people who gave us bans on plastic straws. "Let's maximally i…

The reason why there’s a battle about gas stoves is that people care a lot more about the way they cook than the way they heat their house, but if they cook with gas, then they heat with gas. So if you want to push people away from gas heating towards electric heat pumps, then you need to attack gas stoves

That would be the pragmatic solution; but in states like CA, where rolling blackouts are already commonplace to reduce the strain on the grid, the implications of mandating the use of more electricity seem dire.

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Post by throwaway22032 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #18
throwaway22032 wrote: post #6

I open the window and turn on the extractor fan when I use my gas hob. It uses a fraction of the fuel that my car does. Easily less than 10%. Frying on an electric hob is hardly good for your lungs either. This is just rage porn.

> I open the window and turn on the extractor fan when I use my gas hob. Good. One of the possible interventions is to make ventillation a building code requirement.

Isn't this just a requirement for a kitchen?

You cannot fry indoors without ventilation unless you enjoy choking on smoke.

Neither can you boil indoors without ventilation unless you enjoy coating everything in the room with moisture.

The combustion of a gas stove IME is a smaller contributor to ventilation requirements than both of the above. Maybe the moisture one is less relevant in low humidity environments like parts of California?

edit: I just checked, here in the UK new kitchens require extractor fans regardless of fuel used, which makes sense to me.

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Post by resoluteteeth »

fvdessen wrote: post #20
api wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The makers of high power battery stoves maybe? For those who don't know these are stoves that have on board batteries allowing them to generate, for a period of time, far more heat than an ordinary house circuit would be able to power. This replicates some of the advantages of gas. But honestly I think the ban gas stoves thing is brought to you by the same people who gave us bans on plastic straws. "Let's maximally i…

The reason why there’s a battle about gas stoves is that people care a lot more about the way they cook than the way they heat their house, but if they cook with gas, then they heat with gas. So if you want to push people away from gas heating towards electric heat pumps, then you need to attack gas stoves

Huh? The reason people have been talking about stopping use of gas stoves is that they put out pollution inside people's homes, which is pretty separate from the overall dialogue about fossil fuels or how to heat homes.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

XorNot wrote: post #24
yetihehe wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For those who don't know these are stoves that have on board batteries allowing them to generate, for a period of time, far more heat than an ordinary house circuit would be able to power. Depends on ordinarity of a house. My ordinary house has 3phase power and my pretty cheap induction stove outperforms all gas stoves I had. When I was living in a flat, I only had single phase power, but 4kW should still be enough…

The US has 240VAC though it's just not a common household appliance circuit. My induction cooktop (in Australia) draws 7kW and is supplied by a dedicated 20A circuit for it (because that's what you over-spec the wiring too). It was put in to replace a gas cooktop which was there when we bought the house, and vastly out-performs that unit in speed and heat output. If you converted you'd be pulling a dedicated circuit…

You can find wok ready induction cooktops in China. It’s not an adapter so much as it is a bowl shaped induction surface.

Also, if you are really serious about wok cooking, you’ll go with propane rather than natural gas.

https://www.amazon.com/Induction-14-inch-tempered-precision-...

Re: The gas industry is paying Instagram influencers to gush over gas stoves (2020)

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

No shit they're paying for some marketing. IDK who was expecting otherwise. They're not stupid. They're not so apathetic they're just gonna roll over and take it. Sure most of the manufacturers are also in the electric stove business but they've got huge capital investments in manufacturing they don't want to lose so when the executive announces out of the blue they're considering a ban of course they open the marketing floodgates in response.
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