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U.S. cancer death rate has dropped by a third since 1991

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Re: U.S. cancer death rate has dropped by a third since 1991

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Post by mixmastamyk »

tee_0 wrote: post #84
zw7 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cancer rates skyrocketed because we started screening for cancer. It's that simple.

And obesity skyrocketed because nobody knew the difference between a fat person and a skinny person before 1970? We knew what cancer was before 1970. We certainly knew what diabetes was. The simple fact is that people started getting sicker in the 70s. For a very long time people have been going to the doctor when they feel sick. Oliver Cromwell consulted with doctors and was convinced that he was very ill. Later on…

The documentary “sugar coated” details this period when the sugar industry got everyone believing excessive sugar was fine and fat wasn’t healthy. Leading to a wave of low-fat sugar-fortified food in the late 70s on. Obesity exploded in response and related outcomes.

Re: U.S. cancer death rate has dropped by a third since 1991

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Post by jokethrowaway »

tee_0 wrote: post #77

Cancer rates have exploded since 1970. I told this to someone and they arrogantly corrected me. But I just looked it up right there and they had confused death rates with cancer rates. Thanks be to god for smartphones. Diabetes, obesity, cancer, depression rates all exploded in unison starting around 1970. Why does everyone ignore the massive implications of this? It means there’s something we’re doing that is killin…

It's most likely animal fat and meat demonisation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQAHITIUhg

It's one of those things were effects are so far ahead in time you don't really realise they're there until you're 60 and cancer kills you. And then it's "oh well, old people die" or "he had too many beers"

I was striving to be vegetarian for more than a decade (avoid red meat, low fat diet) because of the "science", before I started developing issues.

Good luck in finding research to back this up, the trend seems to be going all towards vegan highly processed food. I was impressed when mainstream science recently reluctantly backtracked on animal fat and meat.

The USDA is still to update recommendations of course.

Re: U.S. cancer death rate has dropped by a third since 1991

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Post by boyka »

Gatsky wrote: post #74
grandiego wrote: post #62

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> Be your own advocate and research the things your doctor tells you I share your concern but I think there is no definitive advise about how to prevent these horrible outcomes (besides the usual "do regular exercise", "lower sugar consumption", "avoid stress", etc.) Did you find anything more concrete?

There are not really any lifestyle interventions with good quality evidence for preventing cancer. This is my list: Definitely worth doing: - Don't smoke anything that burns or chew tobacco. - Depending on your age and sexual experience, get the HPV vaccine. - Investigate your family history of cancer. If there are multiple people on one side of the family getting cancer (particularly breast + ovarian + pancreatic, o…

Thanks for the thorough overview.

Can you elaborate on

- risks for Ashkenazim

- which plant families actually contain notable amounts of AA? I.e., do all ginger types pose a risk?

Re: U.S. cancer death rate has dropped by a third since 1991

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Post by lm28469 »

zw7 wrote: post #82
tee_0 wrote: post #77

Cancer rates have exploded since 1970. I told this to someone and they arrogantly corrected me. But I just looked it up right there and they had confused death rates with cancer rates. Thanks be to god for smartphones. Diabetes, obesity, cancer, depression rates all exploded in unison starting around 1970. Why does everyone ignore the massive implications of this? It means there’s something we’re doing that is killin…

Cancer rates skyrocketed because we started screening for cancer. It's that simple.

I'm not so sure, cancers seem to be mostly due to environment/lifestyle [0]. Diet is a big factor and it definitely got worse since the 70s

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2515569/

Re: U.S. cancer death rate has dropped by a third since 1991

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Post by Moldoteck »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #93
tee_0 wrote: post #77

Cancer rates have exploded since 1970. I told this to someone and they arrogantly corrected me. But I just looked it up right there and they had confused death rates with cancer rates. Thanks be to god for smartphones. Diabetes, obesity, cancer, depression rates all exploded in unison starting around 1970. Why does everyone ignore the massive implications of this? It means there’s something we’re doing that is killin…

It's most likely animal fat and meat demonisation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQAHITIUhg It's one of those things were effects are so far ahead in time you don't really realise they're there until you're 60 and cancer kills you. And then it's "oh well, old people die" or "he had too many beers" I was striving to be vegetarian for more than a decade (avoid red meat, low fat diet) because of the "science", before…

what issues did you have? Were you tracking macros?

Re: U.S. cancer death rate has dropped by a third since 1991

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Post by Gatsky »

boyka wrote: post #95
Gatsky wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are not really any lifestyle interventions with good quality evidence for preventing cancer. This is my list: Definitely worth doing: - Don't smoke anything that burns or chew tobacco. - Depending on your age and sexual experience, get the HPV vaccine. - Investigate your family history of cancer. If there are multiple people on one side of the family getting cancer (particularly breast + ovarian + pancreatic, o…

Thanks for the thorough overview. Can you elaborate on - risks for Ashkenazim - which plant families actually contain notable amounts of AA? I.e., do all ginger types pose a risk?

Ashkenazim have relatively high rates of inherited BRCA1 and BRCA2 mutations. These are associated with high lifetime risk of breast and ovarian cancer, but also prostate and pancreatic cancer. If someone with Ashkenazi heritage gets one of these cancers, they are reflexively tested for BRCA1/2 mutations. There are various mitigating strategies, so it is worth finding out I think, but the right way to go about it is to see a genetic counsellor.

About the AA, it seems to be herbal supplements that are the primary concern (see https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_141.html). Normal ginger is fine, wild ginger is the problem. Wild ginger isn’t used in cooking as I understand it.

Re: U.S. cancer death rate has dropped by a third since 1991

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Post by tee_0 »

refurb wrote: post #90
tee_0 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of this document contradicts what I’ve said? The only chart that doesn’t start at 75 is cancer deaths, not incidence.

You said it "skyrocketed" since 1970. Unless it skyrocketed from '70 to '74 (which I doubt), the trend is not up, it's up then back down.

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Re: U.S. cancer death rate has dropped by a third since 1991

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Post by pja »

tee_0 wrote: post #77

Cancer rates have exploded since 1970. I told this to someone and they arrogantly corrected me. But I just looked it up right there and they had confused death rates with cancer rates. Thanks be to god for smartphones. Diabetes, obesity, cancer, depression rates all exploded in unison starting around 1970. Why does everyone ignore the massive implications of this? It means there’s something we’re doing that is killin…

> Cancer rates have exploded since 1970

So has life expectancy!

Cancer is ultimately a numbers game & you roll the dice every single day. Life expectancy in the US today is ten years longer than it was in 1970. All those extra dice rolls add up. Ideally you could correct for this effect, but it’s not clear we know enough about how cancer risk accumulates over time to do this correctly.

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