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Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US

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Re: Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US

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> "We (Coke) will give you money. You need to paint opponents of us as racist." It's funny, I heard my father-in-law parroting this when complaining about soda taxes. I also don't care for the taxes, but I don't see them as inherently racist. In fact, hearing him say this made me think that the characterization of the tax being racist is, itself, racist, as it bears the presumption that various minorities more regula…

I think it's more of a blending of what's racist vs what's classist in America. The argument should be that regressive taxes like soda taxes, much like speeding tickets, affects the poor at a much greater clip. Who cares about a soda tax or a speeding ticket when you make 500k a year? If you make that much and you want soda or you want to speed, you're going to do it. However, if you make 28k a year, the calculation…

I agree, but isn't it necessary to reckon with the fact that historically, explicitly and intentionally racist policies (for example, Jim Crow voting laws) often laundered themselves, when convenient, through classism in order to escape scrutiny? Put differently, would you contend that poll taxes were not racist?

Also, wouldn't we expect that organizations that are explicitly anti-racist would conclude that because classist policies or laws have racially disparate impacts, addressing them still increases racial equity even if they are ostensibly motivated by race-neutral class concerns?

Re: Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US

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The line Peter Singer draws, which I found quite elegant, is "things that can suffer". You can have aesthetic opinions about what we do to plants, but a major difference with what we do to chickens is that the plants don't suffer.

I’m not convinced the elegance here doesn’t derive from imprecision. I have some opinions about which sorts of life forms can suffer, but I don’t really have a justification for them, and there are people out there who honestly seem to believe that (for example) bugs don’t suffer, or lobsters don’t suffer. This seems like a fairly ridiculous proposition to me, but hey, it just depends on how we’ve anthropomorphized l…

Oh there is certainly imprecision, but I don't think that's where the elegance comes from. Especially given that most actual moral quandaries you might find yourself in are clearly not in the grey areas, and so the few that you do encounter can relatively easily be dealt with via either "better safe than sorry" or "worth the risk", depending on your personal inclination.

Re: Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US

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60% sounds like a big number but come on, an average egg still costs only 35 cents in January 2023, according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/APU0000708111

Well, is it just eggs? Or is everything 60% more expensive? That will be a problem. I know that when I go out to eat, the bill seems to be about twice what I remember it being even a year ago.

Well, the inflation of the last year is not a secret. But this article is specifically about eggs. For the end consumer, it is of course a product that by itself is consumed only in moderate quantities, although fried eggs for breakfast is a much more common thing to have in the US than in a lot of other Western countries.

However, eggs are of course used in the preparation of a lot of other products that are regularly consumed (pasta, baked goods,...). Thus an increase in the price of eggs alone would have an effect on the price of those products too, but with eggs being only one of a number of ingredients, that would still be a moderate increase.

The raise in prices you see is across the board is due to _everything_ having become more expensive, not just an after-effect from pricier eggs.

Re: Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US

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60% sounds like a big number but come on, an average egg still costs only 35 cents in January 2023, according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/APU0000708111

That would be $4.20 for a dozen. They are $6+ near me. Guessing part of the concern is that lower income folks might have historically substituted eggs for meat when money was tight.

Sure, but eggs are still very affordable.

That said, meat is also one of the cheapest foods you can buy in many cases, usually quite a bit cheaper than fresh fruits and vegetable.

Re: Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US

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Washington State, to its credit, does not have sales tax on food.

Do any US states charge sales tax on (non-restaurant) food? Canada certainly doesn't, and I would be surprised if any European states do either.

Some EU countries do, in Sweden food stuffs are halv vat compared to the norm (12 vs 25)

Re: Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US

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Can confirm. I am in New England. The startup cost was about $1000 for me, including coop, coop reinforcements, chickens, feed, and various misc equipment. I have 8 hens and basically if I sold a year’s worth of eggs I could break even. That’s sold, not eaten, because I could sell for roughly double the grocery store price. So realistically the difference is that I get fresh eggs every day, I never run out, and they…

What did you spend $1000 on? I just bought some wooden beams and wire mesh. The chickens eat whatever we didn't finish the night before. Though I usually scoop in some extra rice or pasta knowing we have chickens. They lay their eggs in basically anything. Mine sit in a Aldi crate on it's side.

Spent $150 on 8 chickens from a reputable farm, which included their starter kit (heater, feed, feeder, water, etc.). Was overkill but they made it super easy. Could have saved some money on Tractor Supply chickens but also got cool breeds and all great layers.

$600 on the largest coop Tractor Supply sold. It is just barely big enough for all the chickens but it does work.

The rest on reinforcement hardware since I have hawks and foxes all over my property. Metal mesh and wood to reinforce all around the coop. Also things like sand to fill the bottom of the coop, anchors to keep it down, etc.

Over time I spent a bit more to replace some bullshit hardware of the coop.

I could have saved some by building the coop from scratch but also this one has a nice design that I wouldn’t have come up with on my own without seeing how the chickens actually behave.

Re: Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US

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Apples are a lot healthier than the same amount of fructose in isolation. they have a huge amount of fiber, which is both filling and good for your microbiome. And I'd bet on some good vitamin content though I'm not sure which off the top of my head. Some fruits may be not much better than candy in that the sugar can metabolize quickly, but apples aren't one of those despite their fructose content.

One hundred grams of apples (with skin) consists of 86 grams of water and 10.5 grams of sugar (mostly fructose), 2.5 grams of fiber, and negligible everything else. The only vitamin present in apples in non-trivial quantity is vitamin C. There is as much protein in broccoli as there is fiber in apples. To get your daily suggested intake of fiber (30 grams), you'd need to eat almost three pounds of apples a day.

Assuming what you say is true, an apple provides you with about 1/27th the amount of carbs the FDA recommends in a day, and 1/12th the amount of fiber recommended in a day.

I fail to see the harm. If I did feel wild one day and decide to down a dozen apples (I'm not sure I physically even could), I'd meet my fiber RDA for that day, and still have only eaten 504 calories worth of carbs.

You may object that I'm not getting any micronutrients this way, but most sources of micronutrients are nearly irrelevant calorically, so they don't really matter when you talk about capacity planning for macronutrients and calories.

Re: Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US

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Thanks for the thoughtful response >If you were getting that much egg and beef from McDonald’s you would likely be buried in the ground by now. This is my hunch too, when i really got serious about my diet and health I was worried eating all these eggs and meat was going to cause issues so made sure to get blood tests etc. This sort of started me down the rabbit hole of realizing that almost every single thing I had…

Yeah, I absolutely share your concern. There are so many internal and external forces pushing us to take the immediately gratifying path of least resistance. We already know (and have known for decades) that a diet including mostly whole foods based around mostly plants seems to yield populations with far less disease and longer lifespans. It may not fit everyone, but it would certainly work for most people currently…

couldn't agree more, I hope we can move to a situation where at least these processed food companies are viewed the same way tobacco companies are (they've even become one and the same in the case of Kraft haha). I had a period in my life where I lost 50 pounds over the course of a year or so and the disappointment people felt when they asked how and I just said "I ate less and exercised more" instead of "1 weird trick" really discouraged me

Re: Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US

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Lydon Johnson had an answer (via George Will): In 1966, the price of eggs rose to a level that President Lyndon Johnson judged, God knows how, was too high. There were two culprits – supply and demand – and Johnson’s agriculture secretary told him there was not much that could be done. LBJ, however, was a can-do fellow who directed the US surgeon general to dampen demand by warning the nation about the hazards of cho…

This piece from 2008 seems to be the original: https://www.mitchellrepublic.com/news/opinion-recalling-lbj-...

Edit: No, this is the same text, under the name of George Will from the day before: https://nypost.com/2008/12/29/lbj-the-egg-czar-other-govt-he...

Weird...

Re: Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US

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I did a quick search and I think you might be getting your information from articles like this: https://fee.org/articles/federal-covid-spending-will-cost-41... Fact check: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/04/14/fac... https://theconversation.com/joe-bidens-us-1-9-trillion-stimu... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/03/11/us/how-covid-... It looks like Biden's contribution is about $2 trillion…

https://www.covidmoneytracker.org/ Capitalism still works. You can only price gouge where you have a monopoly and unless you're proposing some massive intra/inter-industry wide conspiracy the answer is still simple inflation.

You aren't wrong, let's start with that. But I think we might be talking past one another.

I did a deep dive this morning on the Federal Reserve's contribution to inflation, and it looks to me like interest rate hikes contradict quantitative easing. I think they had no choice but to lend more money during the pandemic, or else we might have faced the total loss of personal savings and a global depression. So they made up for that by raising interest rates later in an attempt to slow inflation. We can argue about the amounts, but their $7 trillion contribution just isn't that much when measured against the US's $23 trillion GDP IMHO.

I also stumbled onto an interesting insight. Most of our economic policies since Reagan have followed Milton Friedman. That's where the Fed's quantitative easing comes in, because it's based on the quantity theory of money (QTM) from David Hume and John Stuart Mill:

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042015/how-does-mon...

Keynesian economics (an alternative approach) rejects QTM and says that inflation comes from demand-pull and cost-push. To me this is self-evident, because even with no change in money supply, prices will rise due to increased demand when supply decreases because people are out of work.

Just so we're both on the same page, here's an alternative interpretation of inflation from the Reserve Bank of Australia, which examines demand-pull, cost-push and inflation expectations instead of QTM:

https://www.rba.gov.au/education/resources/explainers/causes...

Although they practiced quantitative easing in 2022 just like we did, and reached a similar 7% inflation rate. Which seems to indicate that they had no choice, meaning that inflation was structural outside the US too, and not due to a specific economic or political approach.

Notably, China began flirting with Keynesian economics in the late 90s. Here's an opinion piece from fee.org, which hosts the one I found supporting your initial argument:

https://fee.org/articles/chinas-flirtation-with-keynesian-ec...

Since that time, China's economy has grown exponentially and now they're eating our lunch:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply#/media/File:China...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply

So you say that capitalism still works, but this data challenges that assumption on a number of levels.

IMHO the financial elites of the world are effectively gamblers who make long bets on how this will all play out. Based on these figures, where are they most likely to place their bets for the best return? China and the developing nations it influences.

The propaganda against progressivism, socialism and communism is a knee-jerk reaction to the two lost decades we've had in the time since, as US wages have stagnated and we've lost our industrial capacity, including the closing of 70,000 factories, which began when the George W. Bush administration did nothing to stop outsourcing, and pretty much endorsed it to enrich its wealthy contributors with short-term gains:

https://checkyourfact.com/2018/04/12/fact-check-did-the-us-l...

The US is gradually losing its petro-dollar dominance and will probably lose its global policing and empire-building abilities by the middle of this century. We'll have to start producing and paying our own way again, not just run huge trade deficits and continue importing cheap goods. A similar thing happened when England lost its colonies.

So now we're colonizing ourselves in the search for cheap labor. At least we were until the pandemic, but people woke up. Now we see how wealth comes mostly from being born with it or skimming it from workers. A point proven every day by our leading billionaires.

If wealth doesn't come from hard work or saving, that creates cognitive dissonance. Which is the best explanation I can find for stuff like the former president's election.

And that's the real danger in all of this. Not that the US might adopt democratic socialism, but that exploited and disenfranchised workers around the world could elect authoritarian leaders in a misguided attempt to thwart their oppression, which could lead to WWIII.

So price gouging doesn't come just from monopoly, but from the wealthy elites created by those monopolies who effectively control our government now. They're the conspiracy. They could use their wealth to alleviate human suffering, but they're still asleep. In other words, there's nobody at the wheel advocating for progressive change who has the means to actually enact it. Only outreach and organizing can do that. The fate of the world quite literally depends on it.

Anyway, I'm well outside my wheelhouse here, and we're below the fold so nobody will probably ever read this anyway. But I hope this clears up my position. I have no terse way to defend it, because the evidence is vast and suppressed by the mainstream media and wealthy elites who don't benefit from a reduction in wealth inequality.

Edit: I re-read your original comment, and maybe we both agree that it would have been more effective to just give everyone the $40,000 directly? Just like during the housing bubble popping in 2008, when people needed a few thousand dollars to make their mortgage payments, but the government gave the money to the banks instead, which prolonged the recession. To not print the money is not a viable option IMHO, for the reasons I stated above.

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