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Re: Twitter's API is down?

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Post by dmitriid »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #49
philliphaydon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree, the day he took over twitter people were saying "it wont be up this weekend" "it will be down in a week" "it will be offline in 2 weeks"... yet the reality is, its up and running well. The system is running as good as before. The only thing I've noticed is theres more ad's than usual. ---- Edit: Currently there isn't any outage of Twitter as far as anyone knows. It looks like 3rd party apps have been kick…

It’s running well because the old guard built it so well. Musk threw them all out, so it will slowly but surely degrade. There was a reason Twitter had such a large workforce.

The tragedy of Twitter is that:

- they were absolutely undoubtedly overstaffed

- Musk's approach was absolutely undoubtedly insane shenanigans of a stupid rich cry-baby

Both are true at the same time

Re: Twitter's API is down?

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Post by invalidname »

manholio wrote: post #66
input_sh wrote: post #43

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Australia and NZ experienced a 16h outage last week. Was there someone to fix it eventually? Sure. Is 16h of downtime acceptable for a $44b business? I'm going with no. https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2023/01/twitter-down-australia/

> Is 16h of downtime acceptable for a $44b business? After a 70% reduction in headcount, is a 16 hour downtime acceptable in a 5% market? I'm going with yes, executives from all major corporations are itching to press that button if only they could get away with it. The problem with Twitter is not, was not, and will never be a technical one. It's a simple site with a simple tech stack, using standard technology to sc…

At the scale twitter exists right now it is anything but simple. Had it been built from scratch it could have run fine with its current staff.

But the current staff needs to maintain code from a MUCH larger staff. That's hard. Especially with microservices where every team did "their own thing" and some teams just vanished completely. You have "dark areas" where no one knows how stuff works and what's going on.

Normally when you downsize at this scale you do this in an orderly way. Every person hands off their work and responsibility. Spends a couple of weeks writing docs and instructions and then leaves. This was done quickly and violently. I'm sure there's many repercussions we don't see simply because the systems are simply running. Once the team looks at some containers and decides to pull the plug to "see what happens" we'll find out...

Re: Twitter's API is down?

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Post by vntok »

notimetorelax wrote: post #34
philliphaydon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree, the day he took over twitter people were saying "it wont be up this weekend" "it will be down in a week" "it will be offline in 2 weeks"... yet the reality is, its up and running well. The system is running as good as before. The only thing I've noticed is theres more ad's than usual. ---- Edit: Currently there isn't any outage of Twitter as far as anyone knows. It looks like 3rd party apps have been kick…

Consider the quality of engineer of the departed team that allowed Twitter to run without incidents for so long. Also, change is the most frequent cause of incidents, as no one was pushing new changes there were fewer chances of an incident.

Surely you're writing this in jest?

https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jul/14/twitter-e...

Re: Twitter's API is down?

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Post by ponow »

manholio wrote: post #66
input_sh wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia and NZ experienced a 16h outage last week. Was there someone to fix it eventually? Sure. Is 16h of downtime acceptable for a $44b business? I'm going with no. https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2023/01/twitter-down-australia/

> Is 16h of downtime acceptable for a $44b business? After a 70% reduction in headcount, is a 16 hour downtime acceptable in a 5% market? I'm going with yes, executives from all major corporations are itching to press that button if only they could get away with it. The problem with Twitter is not, was not, and will never be a technical one. It's a simple site with a simple tech stack, using standard technology to sc…

People choose to use social media, as they choose all media. People are individually responsible for the physical actions they make, even if a little bird told them what to do. It may be easier to control people by limiting what thoughts they're exposed to, but a people isn't free if that's done.

Re: Twitter's API is down?

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Post by robga »

wildpeaks wrote: post #59
dstaley wrote: post #28

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The makers of Tweetbot are making a Mastodon client! https://www.macrumors.com/2022/11/29/tapbots-ivory-mastodon-...

I'm looking forward to trying it when more Testflight spots open up, it will be a day one purchase when released.

They’ve said they expect to release publicly by the end of the month. I don’t Mastodon much, but the beta is my only client and slick to use.

Re: Twitter's API is down?

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Post by jahnu »

sho wrote: post #18

This might be the last straw. I flat out refuse to use their horrible app with its nonsense algorithmic timeline. Give it a few hours to see if it's permanent but if it is, I expect a huge wave of new mastodon users..

For a few days now on the iOS app I have "For You" and "Following" on the top and I can swipe between them, left and right. It has a tendency to keep switching back to the "For You" that I don't like but at least it's quick to switch back to who I'm actually following. Am I being A/B tested?

Re: Twitter's API is down?

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Post by numpad0 »

r721 wrote: post #20
sho wrote: post #18

This might be the last straw. I flat out refuse to use their horrible app with its nonsense algorithmic timeline. Give it a few hours to see if it's permanent but if it is, I expect a huge wave of new mastodon users..

I use twitter.com in desktop browser, and chronological timeline is still there (accessible via "sparkle icon").

That’s chronological but still algorithmic.

Re: Twitter's API is down?

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Post by kohlerm »

Lutger wrote: post #74
drstewart wrote: post #68

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So under what conditions would you consider a company overstaffed?

I would say you are overstaffed if A) you can't afford them and / or B) you've grown so fast, you don't know how to make use of the staff you have. Perhaps there is a C) which is a variant of B) the business model you are running only requires so much staff and you hit a ceiling in growth.

I would not claim to have enough information about twitter being overstaffed? They might have a lot of technical debt, which can cause the need for more people to run it. But that is not "overstaffing".

Re: Twitter's API is down?

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Post by acherion »

kalleboo wrote: post #36

Other API apps like Movetodon and Tweetdelete still work, it looks like it's only third-party clients like Tweetbot and Twitterific that have stopped working. They're also gone from my Connected Apps. This makes it look deliberate.

I checked my Connected Apps list and can still see Tweetbot there, but it said I approved those permissions back in 2011, is ”Tweetbot for iOS” the same as the current Tweetbot available in the App Store?

Re: Twitter's API is down?

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Post by suction »

philliphaydon wrote: post #30
minimaxir wrote: post #17

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The hard part for Twitter is figuring out who's left that can fix it.

I disagree, the day he took over twitter people were saying "it wont be up this weekend" "it will be down in a week" "it will be offline in 2 weeks"... yet the reality is, its up and running well. The system is running as good as before. The only thing I've noticed is theres more ad's than usual. ---- Edit: Currently there isn't any outage of Twitter as far as anyone knows. It looks like 3rd party apps have been kick…

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